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Kill the assault rifle ban? YES
New York Daily News ^ | August 8th, 2004 | CHRIS W. COX

Posted on 08/09/2004 7:30:18 AM PDT by neverdem

The 1994 semiautomatic or so-called assault weapons ban expires Sept. 13. The media drumbeat to reauthorize it has begun, and some politicians are dancing to the familiar tune. Instead of merely reauthorizing the ban, however, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-L.I.) seeks to ban more guns and implement a national registration scheme. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the assault weapons ban sponsor, said on CBS' "60 Minutes," "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate for an outright ban, picking up every one of them - Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in - I would have done it." The gun control agenda has never been stated more honestly.

This new legislation is one step toward that agenda.

The assault weapon debate is ruled by emotion, not fact. That's why in the elections following enactment of the ban, gun owners went to the polls in great numbers and, for the first time in 134 years, unseated the speaker of the House. That's why President Bill Clinton told the Cleveland Plain Dealer: "The fight for the assault weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress." That's why in March 1996, 239 members of the House voted across party lines to repeal the Clinton gun ban.

The debate is not about so-called assault weapons. It's about banning guns. Anti-gun advocates claim, without credible evidence, these guns are the weapons of choice for criminals. It's a lie. A day after the gun ban was signed into law, a Washington Post editorial admitted, "Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a steppingstone to broader gun control."

The radical Violence Policy Center states: "The public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns vs. semiautomatic assault weapons - anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun - can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." Fully automatic machine guns were, of course, effectively banned in 1934.

As the drumbeats roll and attempts to dismantle the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans continue, the National Rifle Association will continue to fulfill its 133-year-old tradition of preserving freedom for law-abiding Americans.

Cox is executive director of National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assaultweaponsban; awb; banglist; cwii; secondamendment
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1 posted on 08/09/2004 7:30:19 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Fully automatic machine guns were, of course, effectively banned in 1934

????? - More like heavily regulated - but anyone who has the time and money can buy them legally.

2 posted on 08/09/2004 7:33:12 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana
????? - More like heavily regulated - but anyone who has the time and money can buy them legally.

They also need to live in the right jurisdiction.

3 posted on 08/09/2004 7:37:41 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: neverdem

It's gonna happen, one day. And the Search & Seizure laws will go out the airlock along with RKBA - because they'll come for them.


4 posted on 08/09/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by Old Sarge (JFKerry: It Takes An Idiot To Raze A Village!)
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To: 2banana
Fully automatic machine guns were, of course, effectively banned in 1934

????? - More like heavily regulated - but anyone who has the time and money can buy them legally.


"Effectively banned" is more correct. There is only one such gun for every 1000 citizens, so "anyone" may get them as long as not too many "anyones" wish to. The $200 fee is minor, but the need for permission of your stubborn local police chief is an effective ban for many people, perhaps most of the population if you consider the number of citizens prohibited by state-wide bans.

Then, the price. A $10,000 price tag on something that costs $500 to manufacture is an "effective ban" for most citizens, because something that is made cost-prohibitive by government mandate is "effectively banned."

Worst of all, modern rifles have been FULLY banned. Now, and for the duration of our republic, citizens will never have access to rifles made or designed after 1986. Today, a 30-year-old rifle might not be very obsolete, but in future generations, it may make a substantial difference.

And to those who say "but my accurate scoped rifle is more useful against tyranny than a clumsy machine gun", I ask "why do you think that most soldiers carry machine guns, and not sniper rifles?"
5 posted on 08/09/2004 7:45:00 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: wideawake

I sure as hell wouldn't want to own one.


6 posted on 08/09/2004 7:45:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I sure as hell wouldn't want to own one.

I wouldn't want to either.

I think their relative scarcity in the US is due more to the impracticality of owning them rather than any legal strictures.

If gang-bangers wanted to use full-auto on a regular basis, they would.

But I can think of only one crime in the past decade or so that involved a full-auto.

7 posted on 08/09/2004 7:51:25 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Old Sarge

If such a thing passes, and a confiscation scheme goes into effect, ...</p>
It'd be time to go after them BEFORE they come for you. A proactive approach towards defending yourself as it were.


8 posted on 08/09/2004 7:54:05 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: 2banana

What about the word 'effectively' in the statement that you attempt to controvert?

Like the word 'infringed' that is so widely ignored, even by the national reasonable-regulation ass types.

Banning guns will not and has not (where it is tried) prevented their use in crimes especially.

Regulating automatic weapons will not and has not prevented their use either.

Both efforts violate the words of the Constitution.


9 posted on 08/09/2004 7:58:05 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: neverdem
The radical Violence Policy Center states: "The public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns vs. semiautomatic assault weapons - anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun - can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

Ignorance is their most effective tool.

10 posted on 08/09/2004 8:21:28 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: wideawake; Beelzebubba
I think their relative scarcity in the US is due more to the impracticality of owning them rather than any legal strictures.

The scarcity is due to limited supply and the resultant high expense - there are only a finite number of legal Class III/ full auto receivers available, and recent manufacture machine guns are not legal for non-governmental entities to own, period.

If new receivers were legal, you would see a volcano of full auto enthusiasm erupt. Right now, it's just the same old tired guns being passed around - as they wear out and disintegrate, no more will be available.

That's the NFA/ full auto dirty little secret.

11 posted on 08/09/2004 8:23:29 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx

Sounds like a pretty damn big "infringement" to me.


12 posted on 08/09/2004 8:27:18 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: neverdem
Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in...

Yeah. Tell ya what sweetheart, why don't you come and get 'em?

Anytime you think you're man enough, Diane - you just step right up.

13 posted on 08/09/2004 8:31:27 AM PDT by TomServo ("Meanwhile, the Midvale police visit his locker and find out why they call him 'Buzz'...")
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To: Beelzebubba

We appreciate your observations, and agree. May we add this thought: Carefully aimed semi-automatic rifle fire, delivered by brave and determined men can prove decisive. The U.S. Army marched from Normandy to Berlin into the teeth of fully-automatic fire from MP-40s. Most of our grunts carried 8-round Garands. A good eye, ammo discipline and grim-a&& determination will win the day.


14 posted on 08/09/2004 8:35:41 AM PDT by noquarter4tyrants ((When police break the law, there is no law..... Just a fight for survival - Billy Jack)
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To: xsrdx
If new receivers were legal, you would see a volcano of full auto enthusiasm erupt. Right now, it's just the same old tired guns being passed around - as they wear out and disintegrate, no more will be available.

I don't buy the premise.

Legal or illegal, a market will develop for something if people really want it.

15 posted on 08/09/2004 8:40:48 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Old Sarge; Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; archy; backhoe; Badray; bc2; Becki; Jack Black; Joe Brower; ...
It's gonna happen, one day. And the Search & Seizure laws will go out the airlock along with RKBA - because they'll come for them.

You know what that would mean. CWII ping.

16 posted on 08/09/2004 8:57:22 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: 2banana
More like heavily regulated - but anyone who has the time and money can buy them legally.

Except that new ones were banned in 1986. Yes, there are some re-wats and such available. But you can't buy a newly produced M-16 from FN or Colt.

17 posted on 08/09/2004 9:13:29 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: TomServo
Yes, dear Diane should come get them.

The little Nazi isn't going to get them any other way, after all.

18 posted on 08/09/2004 9:15:39 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; humblegunner
My 13 year old daughter certainly likes them!!




19 posted on 08/09/2004 9:16:13 AM PDT by Eaker (R.I.P Phudd 28-Jun-04)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I sure as hell wouldn't want to own one.

That's fine, but others would, myself included. (they are hoot to shoot!). More importantly the Consitution says that we, the people, can own them without any interferance from the government.

20 posted on 08/09/2004 9:16:23 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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