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John Kerry : "war hero" or a "war criminal"
68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub

Posted on 08/07/2004 10:06:18 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

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To: freedumb2003
Muchas gracias, my FRiend...MUD

BTW...the Missuz describes it as a "Curse"...LOL!!

81 posted on 08/07/2004 5:20:53 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim (Vast RightWing is Rockin'!!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

You know, this is getting to the point where I'm almost starting to feel sorry for JFnK.

I AM starting to feel sorry for the honest folks out there putting all their eggs in his basket. I hope they like 'em scrambled . . .


82 posted on 08/07/2004 6:32:50 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: R. Scott; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Kerry:
"I was a war hero,
before I was a war criminal,
before I was a war hero."
83 posted on 08/07/2004 7:13:01 PM PDT by syriacus (So, let's give a jeer, and 1 jeer more, for the ersatz hero of Swift 94. He IS a flipping man.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

sKerry stated he took part in these war crimes. I think we need to find out if he was ordered to do so or whether he acted on his own.


84 posted on 08/08/2004 10:44:21 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Bob J

"I think we need to find out if he was ordered to do so or whether he acted on his own."

We need to press this issue, among others.

Just what did he lie about?

Either it was his "heroics" or his "crimes"

He lied, but about what?


85 posted on 08/08/2004 10:47:25 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It only takes one idiot to raze a village.)
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To: keysguy

Or Husbands, she changes them pretty often too.


86 posted on 08/08/2004 1:41:32 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping.


87 posted on 08/09/2004 10:45:17 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: All

John Kerry needs help getting ALL of his military records.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1188078/posts


88 posted on 08/09/2004 2:03:05 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (It only takes one idiot to raze a village.)
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To: Baynative
"I've never once heard anyone speak of atrocities committed by them or members of their units."

I served 2 years off shore of Vietnam from 66-68 on a supply ship which was home ported out of Japan and received combat pay every month for those two years. I then volunteered to serve for another year on the swift boats, serving on the YRBM 17 Delta Devil repair barge stationed in beautiful Dong Tam. I came in country just as the Tet offensive started and had the pleasure of spending a month in Siagon while Charley did his best to ensure that we did not make it home.

As part of the repair crew of the YRBM 17 I came into daily contact with all of the Delta swift’s, their commanders and crew. We spent many nights drinking and BSing. I also spent 2 months in Anthoi training the electrical crew of the repair ship which serviced the PBR’s from that area.

I’m definitely not a Kerry supporter nor do I carry GW’s water but I have voted for him in the last election and plan to vote for him in the next.

That being said I have heard many people talk of these atrocities. These were stories told by boat crews talking about putting telephone insulation testers called grinders to their “nads” and cranking up the voltage to make them talk. I also heard stories about throwing “prisoners” out of high flying helicopters to get the ones that were left to talk. It was common “knowledge” that a necklace of human ears was worn by the real bad asses to let the enemy know how bad we really were.

These stories would come up after about the sixth beer and, as one would start, the next one had to be worse than the last. The purpose of these stories was to convince your fellow drinkers and anyone who would listen that you were a real man of war since we were all teenagers.

No one actually believed any of this crap, we were all scared shitless when the shit hit the fan but afterwards (with the help of a few beers) we were all bad asses once again. Only a dumbass dwebe like Kerry could or would try to make some political gain from these tall tales.

89 posted on 08/09/2004 2:58:12 PM PDT by Souled_Out
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91 posted on 08/15/2004 10:02:48 AM PDT by JockoManning
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To: GROOVY

Kerry got to leave Vietnam early because of the three purple hearts. Apparently he got sent to a cushy desk job as an aide to a general in New York.
Does anyone know if he completed his tour or did he get out of the service early, as he accuses Bush of doing.
There doesn't seem to be much written about what he did after Vietnam but before he left the service. Was he on active duty when he was throwing his medals over the fence?


92 posted on 08/20/2004 7:31:44 PM PDT by afz400
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To: Americanwolf
I have heard conflicting reports that he was asked to take the early release,by a CO because he could not be trusted. If I can find the link again I will post it.

Are you talking about this report?

Thomas Wright was one of John F. Kerry's fellow Swift boat officers in Vietnam. Since Wright outranked Kerry, he was Kerry's sometime boat group Officer-in-Charge, so Wright had occasion to observe Kerry’s behavior and attitudes, and the circumstances surrounding his early departure from the war zone. The intervening years have not dimmed his memories.

“I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders,” recalls Wright. “He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives. I believed that overall responsibility rested squarely on the shoulders of the OIC or OTC in a free-fire zone. You had to be right (before opening fire). Kerry seemed to believe there were no rules in a free-fire zone and you were supposed to kill anyone. I didn’t see it that way.”

It got to a point where Wright told his divisional commander he no longer wanted Kerry in his boat group, so he was re-assigned to another one. “I had an idea of his actions but didn’t have to be responsible for him.” Then Wright and like-minded boat officers took matters into their own hands. “When he got his third Purple Heart, three of us told him to leave. We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11. Kerry didn’t manipulate the system, we did.”

Call sign: Boston strangler

And let's not forget the meeting he attended WHILE STILL IN THE MILITARY where assassinations of Senators was discussed and he NEVER reported it to the authorities. This is backed up by FBI reports as well as eyewitnesses:

KERRY RETREATS FROM HIS DENIAL ON VIETNAM MEET

93 posted on 08/20/2004 8:03:25 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: keysguy
I heard or read one take yesterday that after f'ing got his third purple heart he was "requested" to leave by a superior and did so the next day. It seems they did not want his type around.

See my post #93, the story is there.

94 posted on 08/20/2004 8:05:55 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: GROOVY
The DNC hasn't handed your question to an "objective" reporter at the new york times yet. It's a good question, but it'll never be asked. Sorry. (On the other hand, if Bush had been accused of setting a village on fire and killing a teenager, the press would never stop asking the question.)

Has any reporter ever asked Kerry whether he really did set the village on fire and shoot that kid in the back?

95 posted on 08/20/2004 8:40:05 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

War criminal Tonk, He said so himself, and a traitor to boot!


96 posted on 08/20/2004 8:43:41 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?)
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