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Sen. Clinton's popularity
Townhall ^ | 8/3/04 | Matt Towery

Posted on 08/02/2004 11:35:25 PM PDT by Elkiejg

I am continually amazed by the number of knowledgeable conservatives who underestimate Sen. Hillary Clinton's popularity. I'm equally surprised that the general public can't see through her obsessive desire to capture the White House -- and therefore her unacknowledged but likely wish to see Sen. John Kerry and Sen. John Edwards lose in November.

First, the news that Republicans and conservatives never want to hear or believe: Sen. Hillary Clinton is the one person among Democrats who this year could have sailed to a virtually guaranteed win against President Bush in the general election. What? This overwhelmingly liberal, conniving and self-serving senator from New York? That's right.

Every InsiderAdvantage survey we have ever conducted has shown support for Hillary that doesn't exist for other Democrats. In hypothetical match-ups against any assortment of potential opponents, she enjoys huge crossover support, mostly from women who describe themselves as Independents or moderate Republicans. And this is no weak trend. It's an undeniable pattern.

This creates great confusion and even disbelief among those of us who believe the former first lady is far too liberal (and less charming) than her husband, former President Bill Clinton. So let's illustrate the Clintons' continued hold over much of the public by posing the following question to America. InsiderAdvantage, with our polling partners The Marketing Workshop, asked it prior to the Democratic National Convention.

Q: Do you believe Bill and Hillary Clinton want John Kerry to win the presidential election against George W. Bush?

Yes 67 percent
No 14 percent
Don't know 19 percent

Why did we ask this question? Because it seems clear to many informed Republicans -- and even to many in-the-know Democrats -- that a Kerry-Edwards victory in November might end, once and for all, Sen. Hillary Clinton's ambitions to be our nation's first woman president.

Four years of a Kerry administration would be followed by his re-election campaign. And that would force Hillary to either profess her continued loyalty to a Democratic president, or to openly challenge an incumbent of her party, much as Gene McCarthy and Bobby Kennedy challenged President Lyndon Johnson in 1968. Either way, she would probably have to stay out of the way until 2012. That's a long wait for someone so ambitious.

Of course, the former first lady has consistently denied presidential aspirations. Both she and the former president have consistently pledged to do everything possible to help elect Kerry in November. But one has to wonder just how much heart they are really putting into a fight that, if successful, would likely frustrate any realistic shot at another Clinton White House.

And while Hillary got the rock star-like reception at the Democratic convention last week, it was clearly former President Bill Clinton who remains the real headline act. Looking back, it's now clear the campaign waged by Al Gore in 2000 probably blew its best chances for winning big by not asking then-President Clinton to work his magic and breathe new life into that effort by hitting the campaign trail on Gore's behalf. And for those who insist on denying reality -- including Gore, at least back then -- let's point out that Bill Clinton still enjoyed very high approval ratings, his impeachment experience notwithstanding. Judging from his near-perfect convention speech last week -- compared to Hillary's stilted, barking performance -- there's little doubt that Democrats need "Hollywood Bill" in 2004 if they are to pull off the win they believe is within their grasp.

Based on our past surveys, it's also clear the Democrats will need Sen. Clinton's help if Kerry is to widen what is now the modest margin by which women support Kerry over Bush. However, the greatest contribution Hillary Clinton could have made to Kerry would have been to serve as his vice-presidential running mate. But Kerry never offered.

It's hard to believe the rather motley-looking, rank-and-file delegates at the Democratic convention were as supportive of Sen. Kerry's move-to-the-middle acceptance speech as they appeared to be on TV. It's just as difficult to believe the Clintons have their hearts and souls in a race that will either elect Kerry or leave John Edwards as the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008. But it's obvious the public believes the Clintons are sincere in their support of this year's ticket. Time will tell.


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To: Elkiejg
Looking back, it's now clear the campaign waged by Al Gore in 2000 probably blew its best chances for winning big by not asking then-President Clinton to work his magic and breathe new life into that effort by hitting the campaign trail on Gore's behalf.

Let's be honest here, that was probably the smartest thing he did. Those that the 'toon campaigns for tend to lose.

41 posted on 08/03/2004 9:18:23 AM PDT by reformed_dem (Two Johns don't make a right)
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To: Tall_Texan

Hillary a legend in her minute commie mind. I wish she would come down where I live with her snobbish attitude. Our women would kick her liberal ass up around her throat. Bama hates communist and their ilk. Bush/Cheney 2004


42 posted on 08/03/2004 10:41:18 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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To: Elkiejg
...much as Gene McCarthy and Bobby Kennedy challenged President Lyndon Johnson in 1968

Short challenge.

Um..Lyndon announced: "I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president." on 03/31/1968.

Bobby announced his candidacy on 03/16/1968
43 posted on 08/03/2004 10:42:17 AM PDT by stylin19a (We gotta get out of this place...if it's the last thing we ever do)
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To: Elkiejg

The truth is Hillary has been exposed for the commie she is.
SHe has losat favor among many of the dems who tried to keep her from speaking at all, from the Cemocratic convention.

I think this whole B.S. is to try and rekindle some hope for her by acting like she is still popular. But it is too late, she is on her way down the tubes.

Her popularity is among only the misfits and commies.

Remeber, when all of the single moms got better tax write offs for the kids and themselves and had a check to cash, they realized Bush put his mouth where his ideas were.

Hillary did nothing and even blew her so called health care intiative while Billy Commie was president.


Ops4 God Bless America!


44 posted on 08/03/2004 11:45:32 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Elkiejg

This persistent notion that the Clintons some how want Kerry to lose is the dumbest-ass stuff. I can't believe this is discuessed. Yes, Hillary wants to be president in '08. Here's a clue: Of the 100 Senators, at least 80-90 of them are making every decision in their lives (what to vote for, whom to have dinner with, whether or not to f*** that new intern) based on how it will affect their likelihood of becoming president.

At the same time, they all want to be president because they all think that they are the best person to advance their cause. It was supposed that maybe she didn't want Al to win in '00 because she wanted to run in '04. Well, it's '04 and she ain't running.

Senators survive by NOT thinking those thoughts. If their fellow Sentaors suspect that, they'll be universally despised and blocked. And word'll get among potential donors. You think those thoughts, they'll smell it on you. You'll be the enemy of every other Senator. Hillary is successfully merging into the mainstream. In her first congress, she played it perfectly straight: not going for the limelight. She has modestly advanced her power in the Senate. And she has done a brilliant job of not meddling in campaign races.


45 posted on 08/03/2004 1:03:26 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ZULU

This may shock some people, but Mel is not a Republican.


46 posted on 08/03/2004 1:06:29 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

What is he?


47 posted on 08/03/2004 1:48:29 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: petercooper

Love the hat!!


48 posted on 08/04/2004 9:22:31 PM PDT by Joy Angela (**Hillary's allergic to Botox! Breaks out in Hives!! ** (If dreams come true...))
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To: Muscadine
Look at the following Hitler had and remember

Hillary *is* Hitlery

49 posted on 08/04/2004 9:23:22 PM PDT by Joy Angela (**Hillary's allergic to Botox! Breaks out in Hives!! ** (If dreams come true...))
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