If it doesn't require infinite time, then the math says that your process isn't random. My point was in regards to a *random* process. 5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires
Posted on 08/02/2004 7:42:46 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo
Wolfram's experiments show it does not take infinite time. For $65 you can download the programs from his site: http://www.wolframscience.com/
If it doesn't require infinite time, then the math says that your process isn't random. My point was in regards to a *random* process. 5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires
First, I must point out chaos theory is used for the study of dynamic deterministic systems that exhibit non-linear behavior. That implies that they are basically orderly, by some measure. This is true for both math and physics. Second, I am not talking about quantum chaos. That is a whole nother ball of wax.
Thus, the example that you used has limits to it's application, as I pointed out. Note the lack of true randomness, in the correct use of your example.
This article is so full of holes in both logic and science that it hardly merits comments. This guy should pick up a Biochemistry text that was written in the 20th century.
BINGO! We have a winner!
Howdy! I realize you think this article doesn't merit comments, but I would appreciate it if you could point out a few of the holes. Thanks.
Uh.... tell that to the "E" folks.........
HMmmm.
Is THIS how you "E" believers do your science as well?
Nice one-liners. No, I don't tell everyone who doesn't believe as I do that they're going to hell, because then I'd be a creationist.
Is this like 20/20 hindsight?
Caca, poopoo.
I have tended to stay away from these discussions because people are rarely able to recognize and admit their pre-concieved notions so discussion is impossible.
However, this is a pretty clear cut case.
In the universe which we can study we have a pretty clearly established cause-effect model. Since things "wind down" they must first have been "wound up" (absent quantum implications which are interesting mathematically but have not been successful in moving systems from a state of winding down to wound up without a cause).
The key to your statement being false is that G-d, if He exists at all, does not exist in the universe. There is no way to understand the physics of His existence because we can not experiment on His reality. We don't know if entropy applies, so we don't know if things "wind down" and require somthing that once "wound them up."
So your clear statement that evolutionary belief is as much a statement of faith as Creationism is not quite correct.
Shalom.
It's hard to have circular logic with just one line.
That's it. It was so simple after all.
LOL!
I came back to the thread instead of looking at my comments page, and now I know why you got upset at my post. Your tagline confirms my assertion. Guess I struck a nerve.
Do you have any more cute little sentence fragments for me, besides the washed-up one that I'm going to Hell? There, I said the name of the place! That's definitely double damnation for me, I guess.
Why couldn't God have created the process of natural selection? Couldn't the idea of "free will" be abstracted to represent the randomness in nature? Why does it have to involve someone's rib bone? Because the bible spelled it out that way?
Here's my religion: the universe exists, I know not why, I hope to God I never die.
bttt for my own archive
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