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Brats! Why Are So Many Parents Afraid To Say "No?"
LA Times, via Memphis Flyer ^ | July 30, 2004 | Martin Booe

Posted on 08/02/2004 5:49:37 AM PDT by BluegrassScholar

Edited on 08/02/2004 10:43:46 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Carrie is 2 years old, with curly brown hair and Windex-blue eyes. In a still-life portrait, she would be adorable. In three dimensions, she's a cross between a Gerber baby and the Tasmanian devil. Bang. Bang, bang, bang, and bang and bang.

That's the noise of the plastic water cup she is whacking against the ceramic-topped table of a neighborhood coffeehouse whose concrete floors function like an echo chamber. If she had a hammer she would have destroyed the table by now, and I'm pretty sure her parents would've let her. People look up from their lattes, squint at the diminutive figure making the big, ear-splitting noise, and try to continue with their newspapers or conversations. The banging goes on for a good 10 minutes. Normally, I would say something -- I'm not shy about these things -- but I'm curious to know just how long her parents, with whom I'm having coffee, will let this go. The answer: Indefinitely. They don't even seem to notice. Maybe they're just used to it?

On some primal level, Carrie must be offended that she's not the center of attention. There is anger in her banging, along with what I read as malice. As she grows even more restive, her father lowers her to the floor. Still clutching the cup, Carrie crawls through the room, pounding on the concrete floor as she goes along, giving everyone an up-close earful of her drum solo.

A few weeks later, I'm at a party, mostly adults with a few kids sprinkled in, among them the volcanically unruly 5-year-old son of a friend. As I squat down to greet him, he responds by biting me in the arm, leaving teeth marks through a shirt and a sweater. I am just about to spank his little behind when I realize I'm in dangerous territory. People go to jail for that these days.

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To: BluegrassScholar

Reason: GUILT !!


181 posted on 08/02/2004 10:09:48 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: AppyPappy
I'm sure their rationale for lying was "Well, they are too strict. They should let their daughter live a little".

That is exactly it. Our daughter is quite the drama queen and lord knows what she's told her friends' parents in order to get maximum sympathy. (BTW... she did "live a little" that day. Thank you, Bill Clinton.)

182 posted on 08/02/2004 10:10:03 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Quix

Taliesan the poet in the Arthurian legend. Regards!


183 posted on 08/02/2004 10:10:53 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: booann777
That's not an easy situation, no mistake. You should ask your husband to agree upon a time--a specific time, like "This Friday, 7pm"--in which you can both sit down and discuss the situation. By setting a specific time, the discussion won't be borne out of an argument, which generally proves fruitless. It also gives you both some time to think, beforehand, about what it is that is going wrong in your household, and how you think the individual problems should be addressed. You should both make lists of grievances, actually, so nothing is left behind to fester. At the allotted time, shut off the tv, unplug the phone, get the kids out of the house, and hash it out. Do your very best not to interrupt your spouse, and ask beforehand that he afford you the same courtesy. REALLY LISTEN to what he is saying, save questions or comments until it is your turn. Dont make the concerns you have with the kids your main focus--my guess is that you'll best be served by focussing on your different perspectives of childrearing as a couple, which means that you need to focus on your spousal relationship. Kids, even grown ones, learn from the example they see every day. Make the discussion last as long as it needs to in order to get you both on the same page. Don't stop at just one discussion, either. Make a habit of it. Don't let things fester until there is out-of-control resentment going on. Don't be hesitant to demand respect from the kids. Its your house. You deserve respect.

Hope that helps a bit!

184 posted on 08/02/2004 10:11:17 AM PDT by grellis (No payments, no interest until June 2005! Hurry now and SAVE!)
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To: SandyInSeattle

TMI. I have a daughter(10)


185 posted on 08/02/2004 10:12:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: FITZ

I discovered that the value of spanking is the total attention getting derived by the act. Now that you have the attention of the little savage tell him/her what is expected, acceptable, PERIOD. No Feedback!

I remember at the age of 4 0r 5 pitching a fit because my parents were going to leave me with Grandma for the weekend. I wanted to go with them. Grandma shood them out the door assuring them I would be just fine. They left. SHe shut the door, slapped my cheek and told me to behave, turned around and left the room. I did! I remember thinking I would never try that again around her. I didn't. And I loved her. She meant what she said and said what she meant. A pleasure to know her.


186 posted on 08/02/2004 10:18:12 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (Keep your eye on the donut, not on the hole.)
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To: Quix

>>I have been known to look kids nearby sternly in the eye and tell them in very stern tones that I didn't like their tone of voice. <<

I once told my neighbor's daughter that I did not care how she spoke to her mother when I was not around but she will not be rude to her mother when my children are around to hear.

The neighbor no longer speaks to me.


187 posted on 08/02/2004 10:18:27 AM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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To: SandyInSeattle
You could tell those parents that they could land in serious legal hot water--civil and criminal. All concerned are minors.

Had one similar experience--son's teen girlfriend and her obsessed mother. Always wanted to maneuver more "private time" for the two young things. Had absolutely no support for my concerns about chaperonage--

I was barely able to control the situation--the only thing that saved the day was when the girl suddenly porked out after quitting the sports team. Teen boys dump fat girls.

188 posted on 08/02/2004 10:21:28 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: Ghengis
And being a 43 year old, keeping up with kids that age, will either keep you young or kill you!

I know. I'm 47, dh is 49. We have 3 children, 29, 23, and 12, the grandchildren are almost 4, 2 1/2, and 2 weeks old. They ALL live within 1 mile, and I babysat off and on all weekend, and cooked dinner for EVERYONE at my house at least 5 times in the last two weeks. Some days, we had extra guests (great grandparents.) I'm spread so thin some days I feel like a piece of old bubblegum on a hot asphalt parking lot. On the other hand, I'm definitely NOT lonely, and having my grandchildren say, "I wanna go home with you, Grandmother, is such a kick.

My daughter-in-law's father is 58 and has 2 children, 6 and 4. If I start to feel sorry for myself, I think about him. ;-D

189 posted on 08/02/2004 10:24:43 AM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: silverleaf
I had a child kick my seat from Singapore to Tokyo (about 8 hours). I repeatedly asked her mother to make her stop with no results except this pathetic look on the mother's face while she whined, "I can't, she doesn't like her seat." Then on the descent into Narita, the child stood up on her seat, leaned over the top of mine and barfed all over my hair.

I have told my 3 kids that they are absolutely not allowed to kick the seat in front of them and if they do I will tie their feet to the arm rests. The last time we flew back from Salt Lake City my 5 year old son sang the theme song from Sponge Bob Square Pants for 2 hours without stopping. The people sitting in front of him wanted to kill him and I was really embarrassed until the flight attendants told my how rude and hateful the people were to them. The flight attendants said they enjoyed Sponge Bob, all 2 hours of it. But at least he didn't kick the seat.

My mother tells me what brats my kids are and how I was such a perfect child I would never do what they do. I told her compared to their peers they aren't too bad. She saw some of their peers at my son's birthday party and said they were little savages with oblivious parents.

190 posted on 08/02/2004 10:26:55 AM PDT by Cheesehead in Texas
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To: BluegrassScholar
Why Are So Many Parents Afraid To Say "No?"

Because kids don't like to hear no?

191 posted on 08/02/2004 10:27:09 AM PDT by auboy (John Kerry is part of the problem, not part of the solution.)
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To: AppyPappy

Sorry :-(


192 posted on 08/02/2004 10:29:14 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Cheesehead in Texas

Your examples are proof that children age 5 and under should only fly if caged and in the cargo hold. :-)


193 posted on 08/02/2004 10:29:44 AM PDT by Rebelbase (H.W.O.V. (How Would Osama Vote?))
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To: wingnuts'nbolts

My dad would tell us that on Saturday at 3:00 we would get it with a belt.
By Saturday at 2:00, I had heart palpitations and my throat would be closing with fear.
Anticipation can be a form of torture!

I was never given a spanking with a belt. He would walk into the room snapping the belt as myself or my sisters would be in hysterical tears.
"Have you learned your lesson?" he would ask.

"OH YES!" we would cry. Then he would brush the belt against our rumps and give us a hug.
"Never do it again....."
Worked every time.


194 posted on 08/02/2004 10:30:17 AM PDT by netmilsmom ("We haven't begun military action. the world will know when we do." -Marine in Fallujah)
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To: redhead

1. START EARLY. When they start flopping around when you are changing their diapers, smack them.
2. BE CONSISTENT. If the behavior is a spanking offense, SPANK EVERY TIME IT'S DONE. Otherwise, change the rules.
3. KEEP YOUR PROMISES. If you promise punishment for a certain infraction, DO IT. DO IT EVERY TIME (see 2 above)


good.


195 posted on 08/02/2004 10:33:58 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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To: Taliesan

For some silly reason, I'd never made the connection. Must have been where Frank Lloyd Wright got it from.


196 posted on 08/02/2004 10:34:00 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: GOP Soccer Mom
I said to my dh, "First of all, the woman should have made SURE the kid put on the shoes she told her to. What good is her supposed authority if she doesn't enforce anything?"

i agree with everything you wrote, except the above comment... at the age of 12, the girl will learn more from experience--especially negative experience than having her mother moniter her every move... she made the decision to wear the shoes and ignore her mother's advice... i doubt she will continue to wear stupid uncomfortable shoes to the store (she might continue to wear them elsewhere, however.)

my comment to the daughter would have been, "well, now you know better."

197 posted on 08/02/2004 10:34:12 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: netmilsmom

Protecting your kids and giving a valuable life lesson to neighbor kids . . .

if the neighbor was so stupid as to pull away for that . . . probably wasn't worth that much of a relationship anyway.

Her loss.

Still, sad.


198 posted on 08/02/2004 10:35:19 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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To: BluegrassScholar

Bump to read later


199 posted on 08/02/2004 10:35:50 AM PDT by Remember Ruby Ridge (SOLUTION: TURN IRAQ INTO GLASS, TAKE THEIR OIL, AND KICK THEIR ASS!)
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To: tutstar

We took the TV away from our 3.5 year old after we learned about this in May. He was difficult to deal with for a week or two. He was having a hard time because he had not learned how to "play". It took several weeks for him to get acquainted with the toys in his toy box. One day he actually sat down with an ABC board that I bought when he was very small. Within a few weeks he was teaching himself the sounds that the letters make and how to put them together to make words. Needless to say he is now teaching himself to read. He is allowed to watch movies when we go to Grammies house, but after he always acts up. Watching TV is really bad for kids, I have seen how bad first hand..........


200 posted on 08/02/2004 10:37:18 AM PDT by Cecelia
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