Posted on 08/01/2004 9:12:42 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
CNN is reporting that among likely voters Bush's numbers went up with Bush getting 50% and Kerry 47%. The poll was done after the convention. This means Kerry got a negative bounce.
He's dead, Jim.
This makes no sense. Aren't "likely" voters also registered (i.e., don't pollsters ask "Are you a registered voter?" as a follow-up to a positive answer to the "Do you plan on voting in the November presidential election?")
If so, how can Kerry lead among "registered" voters yet trail among "likely" voters in the same poll? Doesn't seem likely to me, at least.
Several threads. Best: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182167/posts
Thanks, it's not mine though. :)
"I hope this is the beginning of the momentum turning in a big way. Lefties are easily demoralized and their support for Kerry is shallow. When the tide turns, their lack of commitment to their candidate will leave him without support."
-- At what point does the DNC grassroots abandon Kerry and start getting ready for Hillary in 2008? I think there's a certain point where hope is lost. You'll also see a lot of the DNC party apparatus adjusting to put more efforts towards all those tight senate races. If McAuliffe can pick up the senate while losing the presidential race, he keeps his job and save the party. If they pick up the senate and not the White house, here's the DNC line for the next four years:
"It's really tough to unseat a war-time president. But the people have spoken, and what they have said is we want a Democratic Senate."
That's the plan.
"do you think that a zogby would risk his credibility by deliberately putting out false polls? these people make almost all their money from corporate clients."
-- Well, the LA Times and the NY Times did by sampling 10% more Demcorats than republicans in their polls.
I didn't do a spellcheck...that would be like reading the whole article before posting. : )
I did look at a posted headline before spelling it that way, you're right, I now see it spelled both ways all over the place. I'll go knock the "p" out of my hamsters for future posts.
Given the performance of the GOP senate "leadership", a RAT senate majority wouldn't make a whole lot of difference.
Yeah, there was an article posted from a respected news outlet the other day where they had misspelled hamster all over it. It was pretty funny. Hamster is only spelled hampster in New Hampshire.
It depends on whether or not it bounces before it hits his head. If it bounces, then it is instantaneously motionless once for each bounce. :-)
Convention bounces in this 2004 election maybe a hoped for event at best...... I'd not look for much from the President either if you can believe anything about the polls, such as the small number of undecides and numbers that are strongly committed to their candidate.
If that continues to prove to be true then there are very few votes to make a huge bounce with...
Rasmussen is reporting a 49-45 edge for Kerry and calling it a 1 point bounce. Newsweek was calling some outrageous garbage like 54-42 with Kerry up a few points. I saw another that said dead even. This one gives the edge to the President.
I think we'll discover that their silly convention simply treaded water, and that the call that says it's still even is the correct call.
EVEN IS A TREMENDOUS WIN for the Bush/Cheney Team!
"Ah, Joe, these numbers aren't falling for Kerry like they should. Let's make some more phone calls to make sure we can get it right."
Spin, spin, spin...
"I'm beginning to worry not that Bush will lose but that when he wins I will not be gracious about it---the temptation to gloat will be too powerful."
Oh puleeze, you're sounding like the lamestream press after 2002... 'warning' Bush not to gloat. screw that, the Democrats always stick the knife in a second time when they win, why not gloat when the triumph happens.
This race is FAR from a slam-dunk folks. Be honest the Polls are within MOE... we are *counting* on people to *change their mind back to Bush* after years of determined media bias got it in the other direction ... THIS IS NOT EASY.
If Bush overcomes the cr*pfest the liying Dems planted on him, if he overcomes the slanders of Joe Wilson, the partisan attack-plan of partisanship-over-patriotism that the Democrats planned in the Democratic senate cloakroom. If he overcomes Michael Moore's lies and Kerry's phony say-anything do-nothing campaign ... and triumph, then Bush deserves a little dancing in the end-zone.
Because Bush will have a whole 4 years to lead, and I am sure wednesday morning, after their loss, the Democrats *wont* be thinking "Yeah, we were wrong, they were right, let's quit our Bush-hating" ... nope! They'll be plotting their next move - impeachment, obstruction, whatever it takes.
The road goes on forever and the story never ends.
1. Reporters shouldn't use adjectives.
2. USA Today is lying.
3. Other polls all show a big Kerry bounce, so this must be wrong.
4. Shows the convention was wrong to wave flags. Republican lite patriotism is disgusting.
5. Must be using some flawed method (theories).
6. CNN is a right wing outfit.
7. Let's not flip out and give Freepers ammo.
8. It is true and it is all the media's fault. It was their job to force feed Dems to the public.
9. The whole idea of a bounce is made up anyway.
10. Doesn't everyone know the media is controlled by the CIA?
Somebody put extra LSD in their kool-aid this morning.
USA Toady fails to note that Newsweak poll is pollaganda with an oversampling of Dems by 8 pts to get the desired result. There they go again, polling by calling people in the Manhattan phone directory! :-)
So back that out, and you now have 3 other polls - Zogby , Rasmussen, and this gallup - show little or no movement/bounce for Kerry.
And why not? This convention told us nothing we didnt already know. The Vietnam theme was overplayed to the point of self-parody. Why should he get a bounce when his rhetoric seems to answer the Bush campaign charges of being a flip-flopper with a "see, flipflopping aint so bad"
DNC: How can we hide Kerry until the election? Hahahaaa...
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