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Playing for all Elgin Marbles
Houston Chronicle ^ | August 1, 2004 | SUSAN NAGEL

Posted on 08/01/2004 8:48:19 AM PDT by Dog Gone

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1 posted on 08/01/2004 8:48:21 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Elgin Marbles --- No - NOT the round ones!:

http://images.google.com/images?q=Elgin+Marbles+&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search


2 posted on 08/01/2004 8:53:42 AM PDT by steplock ( www.spadata.com)
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To: Dog Gone

They are stolen property that should be returned to their rightful owners, The Greek people


3 posted on 08/01/2004 9:54:46 AM PDT by muir_redwoods
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By that standard, I would be able to run the decendents of some Kansas Redlegs off a couple of farms that my g'g'grandad owned in Cass County Missouri and take possesion. Nice big farms, too. Of course, there are some folks with a little Osage blood who might have something to say about it.

Elgin stole 'em fair and square. They would have probably been burned for mortar by the locals if he had not done so. The current Greek government has no significant continuity with the people who made the art. If the Greeks want them, let them make an offer.


4 posted on 08/01/2004 10:10:19 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: steplock

What if we took that arch that Saddam built that looks like two swords and erected it to span Pennsylvania Ave in DC? Baghdad doesn't need it, and if we are going to be an Imperial Power like the dims claim Bush wants, isn't it time we started collecting some cool trophies?


5 posted on 08/01/2004 10:18:52 AM PDT by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'Clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: Rifleman

They were carved from Greek marble by Greeks in Greece. There is no justification for them to be in Britain.


6 posted on 08/01/2004 10:20:48 AM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Dog Gone

We have seen the marbles. We are done with them, there is nothing more to be learned. They can safely be returned as a gift to the site where they can rot.


7 posted on 08/01/2004 10:26:28 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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Had the Greeks kept them, they would have been forever destroyed as were most of the marbles that were left behind in Athens to disintegrate in the heavy air pollution which blankets that city.

The Greeks are building a musuem at the Acropolis which presumably has air filters and returning the marbles now would not endanger them. But I don't know that for a certainty. Ideally, they would have been preserved and protected while they were part of the Parthenon. They weren't, and it's doubtful they'll ever be placed back on that structure.

8 posted on 08/01/2004 10:40:30 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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The Acropolis could be completely enclosed and sealed from the city's atmosphere. Then the various buildings and statues could be rebuilt, the best artists employed. The Acropolis could be a hugh tourist attraction, a classical Disneyworld.


9 posted on 08/01/2004 10:43:43 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Dog Gone
Two years later, Lord Elgin divorced his wife in two scandalous trials and an act of Parliament, bringing notoriety to them both. Mary lost custody of her children, and Lord Elgin lost access to his wife's fortune, forcing him to sell the marbles.

Perhaps the origin of the phrase "lost his marbles"?

10 posted on 08/01/2004 10:45:45 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: muir_redwoods

Er... Elgin saved them from almost certain destruction, picking thum up from the ruins of the parthenon. He did it with the permission of the Greek government, under the supervision on site of Greek officials. Under what law is the British Museum beholden to return them.

If I came to your house and found a painting you had thrown away in your trash and asked if I could have it and you said yes, would your great grandson have any legal right to demand it back from my family in 60 years?


11 posted on 08/01/2004 11:10:50 AM PDT by propertius
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To: muir_redwoods

If they were stolen, they should be returned to the Ottomans.


12 posted on 08/01/2004 11:27:01 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: RightWhale

They ought to simply clean up their air pollution. The Parthenon is visible from much of the city and encasing it would be something akin to encasing the Statue of Liberty.


13 posted on 08/01/2004 11:34:04 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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I wouldn't have a problem putting a roof over the thing. The place is a ruin. :)


14 posted on 08/01/2004 11:37:22 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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If you ever visit Athens, be sure to take the drive out to the Temple of Poseidon. It's on the coast about an hour's drive out of Athens.

It's dramatically perched atop a high cliff over the ocean and it just drops your jaw to see it from a distance. Up close, it looks kinda beat up, but it isn't exactly a spring chicken.

15 posted on 08/01/2004 11:48:55 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
They are stolen property that should be returned to their rightful owners, The Greek people

That might be true if the Greek people had been in a position to care about the marbles at the time.
I must do more research, since this is the era where re-writing history is not only common, but seen as an "obligation" by the more "progressive" members of academia.

As I remember it, the Elgin Marbles were in the process of being ground and sold for mortar at the time they were purchased. All of the remaining building where they came from was, in fact ground for mortar. Had the Elgin Marbles not been purchased, there is zero chance that they would now exist. How that translates to stolen property... and ..rightful owners... can only be the product of a deranged, selective "progressive" mind.

16 posted on 08/01/2004 11:50:43 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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All of the remaining building where they came from was, in fact ground for mortar.

I don't think so. Unless I'm completely misinformed, these marbles decorated the exterior top of the Parthenon, which is definitely still standing.

17 posted on 08/01/2004 12:01:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Went up to Delphi to consult the Oracle, but she was out of town that day. Went to Delos next, but they were all out playing with the dolphins someplace. Maybe they all took retirement. A person could retire there.


18 posted on 08/01/2004 1:43:27 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Dog Gone

Temple of Poseidon

19 posted on 08/01/2004 3:13:13 PM PDT by cavan
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That might be the Temple of Poseidon in Italy, but it's not the one outside Athens at Cape Sounion.

Here's a photo of that temple.


20 posted on 08/01/2004 3:23:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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