Posted on 07/30/2004 8:25:47 PM PDT by joesnuffy
7-29-04 TYRANNY UPDATE!
Oshkosh police say 'Sorry' for trampling citizens' rights in door-to-door gun confiscations.
Oshkosh, Wis. -- In what appears to be an admission of wrong-doing by the Oshkosh Police Department, Fox 11 WLUK (Green Bay) has reported that area resident Terry Wesner was offered an apology by the department.
Police evacuated citizens from their homes within a quarantined area near Smith Elementary School Saturday night (July 17, 2004) to conduct a broad gun sweep of the neighborhood following the shooting of Oshkosh police officer Nate Gallagher.
Residents reported returning home from area shelters -- where they were herded by police -- to find their guns gone.
Others watched in awe as police took their firearms after giving police consent to search. Some were told by police their firearms would be subjected to ballistics tests, and would be returned.
"However, the bullet that hit officer Gallagher was not found," said Corey Graff, executive director of Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc. "So how can police conduct ballistics tests if there's no bullet with which to match the results? It defies logic."
Graff said the biggest issue is what he calls the department's "Guilty-until-proven-innocent" posture towards citizens.
In what appears to be a blatant knee jerk abuse of police power, the department unleashed the dogs — literally — when the Special Weapons and Tactics Unit (SWAT) showed up with its K-9 Unit to begin house-to-house searches.
According to media reports, the suspect fled on foot into the neighborhood, and has not been apprehended.
Warrants for searches were issued for at least two homes, (perhaps more) but homeowners in the area reported having all their firearms taken by police.
Some witnesses said the whole neighborhood was evacuated by force and citizens were being told – not asked, but told – to hand over their guns. Some weren’t even asked.
"That’s what makes me so mad," said resident Terry Wesner in an Oshkosh Northwestern report (July 20, 2004). "They had no reason [to remove firearms] without a warrant. . .I didn’t know they removed anything until my buddy, who’s staying with me, noticed they were missing. I thought you had to have a warrant to take someone’s guns." [Emphasis Added]
In a subsequent report, another resident, who worked the late night weekend shift, reported he came home to find a scene that looked like his home had been burglarized — he said personal belongings were thrown about — and his gun safe was empty.
"They didn’t even leave a note, telling me what was going on," the man said on camera.
An elderly woman said she woke up to find police — who were reported to be dressed in black, quasi-military gear — conducting a search in her home in the early morning hours.
"Did the fact that this poor senior citizen happened to live in the immediate area of the crime warrant "Reasonable Suspicion" or "Probable Cause" that she could have committed this heinous act?" asked Graff.
"Is Grandma taking pot shots out her kitchen window? Is she hiding something in the cookie jar?" He said.
In the same Oshkosh Northwestern report (July 20, 2004) Oshkosh Police Captain Jay Puestohl was reported to have, "declined to say on what grounds officers had the right to remove the firearms…"
"If officers were acting honorably and respecting property owners' rights, why not say so? Why not be upfront? Why the secrecy?" Graff said.
One resident in the neighborhood may have found himself the subject of the investigation simply by refusing to consent to a search (entirely within his rights) according to the news report.
The Oshkosh Northwestern story quoted one neighbor — who suspected homeowners who exercised their right to refuse consent to the heavy-handed searches, were presumed guilty by police — as saying:
". . .[T]hey’ve been downright rude to us. . .You don’t treat so-called civilians this way." [Emphasis Added]
The news story goes on to say that Captain Puestohl ". . .declined to say whether officers pursued the warrant because the residents refused a consent search."
This hysteria-driven Oshkosh neighborhood gun grab could establish a nightmarish precedent for a wide-open abuse of police power to be unleashed upon Badger State gun owners said WGO.
The silence from other gun rights groups on this issue is deafening.
"The institutional gun lobby is just as scared as the poor people in that Oshkosh neighborhood," Graff said. "They might be thinking, 'If I speak out, will my guns be next?'"
Wesner, one of the brave gun owners to speak out against the rash of gun confiscations that occurred after the shooting, said police confiscated his guns after entering his home without a search warrant.
He reported in a Thursday, July 22 television interview with WLUK-FOX 11, "They [the police] are not going to come in my home again [without a warrant]."
That same report stated that the police "acknowledged a lack of proper procedure [in not obtaining a warrant]."
Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc. said the most effective response for gun owners is to join and contribute to the organization's bold, no-compromise educational crusade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
7-17-2004
TYRANNY ALERT!
OSHKOSH POLICE CONDUCT DOOR TO DOOR GUN CONFISCATIONS
Shooting of Oshkosh police officer results in knee jerk neighborhood gun grab
Oshkosh, Wis. -- Following the shooting of an Oshkosh police officer Saturday night, area residents were forced from their homes, their lawful firearms being confiscated by police.
The Oshkosh Police Department's Special Weapons and Tactics Unit responded to the area, with a K-9 police dog in pursuit of the perpetrator who was reported to have fled on foot.
Citizens' guns were seized through searches of area homes. The police promised to return the firearms after forensic tests proved they were not involved in the crime. The injured officer's name was withheld, but media reports indicate his condition is not life-threatening.
"The message is: Hand over your guns, now!" said Corey Graff, executive director of Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc. "This is a blatant case of guilty-until-proven-innocent and an abuse of police power."
Still, residents in the area are furious about the home invasions by police and what they see as theft of their property. Although early reports are unclear, they indicate a search warrant was issued for two homes, yet additional home owners also had firearms confiscated.
"We want the perpetrator of this crime caught and brought to justice just like everyone else," said Graff. "But that doesn't mean the police should trample citizens' 4th amendment protections, steal lawful private property and enter the home without reasonable suspicion or warrant."
One homeowner in the area said his guns were taken by police, guns that hadn't left his gun safe since last hunting season. Another victim of the police searches -- an elderly women -- reported waking up to officers' searching her home in the early morning hours.
The Oshkosh Northwestern reported, "Residents were not being allowed to return to their homes by press time."
All this was done warrant-less? I'd hate to see a cop come in through my door without being invited or w/o a warrant after I'm asleep. Matters would not end so peaceably. Remember, NEVER INVITE A COP INTO YOUR HOME. It implicitly gives him the right to search your domicile. Any issues can be discussed outside, on your property. The police captain, the mayor, and the entire city council need to tossed out and those citizens violated should sue on Constitutional grounds. It's a simple violation of the search and seizure amendment, for starters. This is OUTRAGEOUS!!! More to come if Kerry/Edwards get elected.
tru peace...D
Damn strait!
Inviting a LEO into your home gives implicit consent to search?
That's the part that baffles me. I can imagine some cop knocking on my door and saying, "Excuse me ma'am, I need you to go stand in the street while I go through everything in your house and take what I want." If you don't know your rights, you don't have any!
ping!
The alleged police reaction kinda makes you wonder about the real motive behind the shooting of the LEO that kicked this off. Maybe somebody had had enough.
Wonder if the Oshkosh Police know their American History?
"Inviting a LEO into your home gives implicit consent to search?"
Yes... Check out this site. It's very informative. It may keep you out of any trouble you don't deserve and some that you might based upon federal or state codified unconstitutionalities.
http://www.flexyourrights.org/
tru peace...D
BTTT
Thanks,ebiskit. :)
This crap needs to stop and someone needs to go to jail (Police Chief), or there needs to be armed inssurrection to stop it.
This is intolerable.
Waiting for the resident goons to chime in...
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Update on principles at work.
The new details are even worse than the first story represented them to be.
"Wonder how they got the gun safes open so quickly.... "
Yes, indeed, it looks like the LEO's have skills to penetrate gun safes with ease.
Yes, indeed, it looks like gun safes will have to be hidden in the floor or the wall, or elsewhere. Layers of security: lock after lock, alarm after alarm. Have a couple throw-aways (purchased from FFL dealer) easy to find, but the main collection stowed such that it cannot be found, and, if discovered, cannot be so easily breached.
Off-site storage for a portion of the collection has become a must, it seems.
Security is no longer just about kids and burglars.
And the lack of outrage is disheartening.
Exactly, Nothingnew!
This is close to where I live, and it just scares the bejeezus out of my husband and I. The REALLY scary part, is all the sheeple that just don't care, or will wait until it is too late, and then wonder what happened????
MISSION STATEMENT
The full time mission of the Oshkosh Police Department is to safeguard the lives, property and rights of all persons within the City of Oshkosh in an equitable and non-discriminatory manner.
ICYMI - ping
Anyone calling for the shooting of thieves on this thread?
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