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France objects to U.S. command of NATO training force for Iraqis
CNEWS ^ | 07/29/2004 | Paul Geitner

Posted on 07/29/2004 1:55:15 PM PDT by BushisTheMan

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - France dropped its objection to having a NATO training mission inside Iraq but refused Thursday to accept Washington's demand that its commander be an American.

A French diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, described the issue as the "last hitch" holding up agreement on the mission at NATO headquarters. After two days of debate, NATO officials said they were optimistic the 26 NATO countries would reach a consensus by Friday on how the training both inside and outside Iraq would proceed. Ambassadors broke up Thursday night but planned to resume meeting early Friday.

"We are very close," a NATO official said.

Acknowledging that Washington was unlikely to back down on its demand for an American commander, Paris suggested postponing that aspect of the decision.

A U.S. official declined to comment. Washington has been adamant that the NATO mission commander be part of the U.S.-led coalition's chain of command, saying it is the best way to ensure the safety of the NATO mission. It also wants a decision now so that training can begin quickly in response to urgent pleas from the new Iraqi government.

NATO leaders agreed to the missions at their summit a month ago, but left details vague.

Although French President Jacques Chirac maintained he never agreed to a NATO footprint inside Iraq, those objections seemed to have dissipated.

In Paris, Foreign Ministry spokesman Herve Ladsous said France agreed to sending a mission to Iraq in August. But he added the "nature of the link with the multinational force present in Iraq" remained unresolved.

"It would be abnormal and regrettable for this point to block the sending of the NATO mission," he said in a statement, suggesting the decision be put off until NATO receives another report in mid-September.

The French diplomat said about "five or six" other countries supported France's position. NATO decisions are made by consensus.

The delays echoed the alliance crisis before the Iraq war, when France, joined for a time by Germany and Belgium, blocked agreement for weeks on defensive aid to Turkey because of their opposition to U.S. military action.

Another outstanding issue had to do with whether the mission should be commonly funded by all allies, like the NATO peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan, or only by those sending troops. Diplomats said they thought that was easier to solve than the command question.

The command issue is especially sensitive for Paris and a handful of other countries that opposed the U.S.-led war and have refused to send troops to help with the aftermath.

The French fear that tying the NATO mission too closely to the U.S.-led forces could result in NATO becoming a "subsidiary of the coalition," and they worry that Washington will use the NATO force as an "exit strategy."

He pointed to Afghanistan and Kosovo, where protection is provided for different international forces without formal command links.

The "pre-mission" NATO intends to send Aug. 6 would include only 30 or so people, and report back to NATO headquarters Sept. 15.

So far NATO's role in Iraq has been limited to providing logistical backup to a Polish-led division working with the American troops. Although 16 NATO members already have some troops there, they are not under the NATO flag.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: american; chiracjacqueschirac; commander; france; french; herveladsous; iraq; ladsous; nato; slimeballs; training; washington
Ah..the French.

They never change.

1 posted on 07/29/2004 1:55:21 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: BushisTheMan

We should start the "France objects to..." drinking game. Every time some jackass French diplomat objects to something we propose at the UN, we take a drink.

We'll all be drunk by noon.


2 posted on 07/29/2004 1:57:39 PM PDT by johnfrink
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To: BushisTheMan

Dear France: What Dick Cheney said....


3 posted on 07/29/2004 1:57:51 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: BushisTheMan
"France objects to U.S. command of NATO training force for Iraqis"

France is afraid that the Iraqis will not learn fundamental French military doctrine: "don't fight, surrender."

4 posted on 07/29/2004 1:58:20 PM PDT by tom h (.)
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To: BushisTheMan

The French would dearly love to see US forces under a French general. Barring that, a general chosen by the UN, and you can bet your bippie he wouldn't be American.


5 posted on 07/29/2004 1:58:43 PM PDT by hershey
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To: BushisTheMan
Write letter's to the French Embassy expressing disappointment for their attempt to influence our elections. Tell them to get out of OUR Country and take the statue of liberty with them!
6 posted on 07/29/2004 1:59:27 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: BushisTheMan

Why would the Iraqi military need to be trained by a French general? They already know how to surrender.


7 posted on 07/29/2004 2:00:11 PM PDT by steve-b (Panties & Leashes Would Look Good On Spammers)
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To: BushisTheMan

Heyzeus Christo...

If the f'in French command their training, Iraq'll have the same POS army they took into the last two wars. Although, the commander of the French Contingent in Gulf War I said that the Iraqis really set a high bar for the French Army in using leaflets to surrender and pleading for their lives while doing so.

The French also admired the manly way that weapons were laid down, not thrown or dropped per French Army doctrine in place at the time.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 2:02:01 PM PDT by L,TOWM (From the "Party of Jefferson" to the "Party of Shmeagle" in less than 200 years...)
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To: BushisTheMan
"F'ing the French"....should become national policy..

If they continue to behave badly....we should declare war against the backstabbing sonsofbitches, and be done with it...

Semper Fi

9 posted on 07/29/2004 2:02:59 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: BushisTheMan

We should have let the NAZI's keep France!


10 posted on 07/29/2004 2:04:16 PM PDT by stockpirate (OBL and the Communist's supports Kerry for President, flush the 2 Johns!)
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To: steve-b
Why would the Iraqi military need to be trained by a French general? They already know how to surrender.

My exact thoughts, only you beat me to it be a few seconds. In fact, we could offer a compromise to the hosers: the day that we Americans are ready to surrender to someone, anyone -- we'll put a French expert in charge of the entire operation. Until then, "don't call us; we'll call you".

11 posted on 07/29/2004 2:04:33 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: tobyhill
Tell them to get out of OUR Country and take the statue of liberty with them!

On second thought, I, for one, wanna keep the statue; so I guess we will until there's someone big enough to take it away from us.

12 posted on 07/29/2004 2:06:28 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: BushisTheMan

FRANCE: Acronym for F---ing Rude A-holes Now (a) Communist Empire...


13 posted on 07/29/2004 2:07:28 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: Migraine

Your right but maybe a logo on it reading,"France once believed now your mine".


14 posted on 07/29/2004 2:10:15 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: johnfrink

Oui, zer eez a short pier over which zey can take a long walk . . .


15 posted on 07/29/2004 2:21:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: johnfrink

Oui, zer eez a short pier over which zey can take a long walk . . .


16 posted on 07/29/2004 2:21:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: johnfrink
We should start the "France objects to..." drinking game. Every time some jackass French diplomat objects to something we propose at the UN, we take a drink.

We'll all be drunk by noon.

OH HOW FUNNY!!!!

17 posted on 07/29/2004 2:22:06 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: BushisTheMan

Ask Chirac, maybe Poland would be good? Hehe It would be interesting ,see his reaction for such proposition.


18 posted on 07/29/2004 2:33:06 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: BushisTheMan
Mais certainement - everyone knows the forces should be led by the French. We all know they are the world's premier military experts.
19 posted on 07/29/2004 3:08:35 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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To: BushisTheMan

Can't someone rid us of this meddlesome country?


20 posted on 07/29/2004 3:51:00 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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