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Apple 'Stunned' by RealNetworks IPod Move
Reuters ^ | July 29, 2004

Posted on 07/29/2004 12:13:52 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Apple Computer Inc. is unhappy with RealNetworks Inc.'s move this week to make its RealPlayer music service compatible with Apple's market-leading iPod digital music player and may take legal action to counter it, the company said on Thursday.

Apple (AAPL.O) said in a statement it is "stunned that RealNetworks (RNWK.O) has adopted the tactics and ethics of a hacker to break into the iPod," adding: "We are investigating the (legal) implications."

Apple said once its iPod software is updated it is "highly likely" that RealNetworks files "will cease to work with current and future iPods."

Earlier this week, Seattle-based RealNetworks started offering a test version of its latest media player, RealPlayer 10.5, that allows people to transfer songs purchased on the RealPlayer Music Store service to Apple's iPod.

Real was quick to defend its Harmony digital rights management (DRM) software, which makes the RealPlayer-iPod transfer possible.

"Consumers, and not Apple, should be the ones choosing what music goes on their iPod," the company said in a statement.

"Harmony follows in a well-established tradition of fully legal, independently developed paths to achieve compatibility."

Real has said its new software makes the DRM technology that protects its songs compatible with Apple's own DRM standard, known as FairPlay.

Apple has aggressively fought against software developers who develop ways to get around the FairPlay protections, which regulate where and how files downloaded from the iTunes Music Store can be played.

Analysts were relatively unconcerned about the legal implications for Real, which so far has released the new "Harmony" software on a limited test basis.

To date, Apple has sold more than 4 million iPods, which now account for about 12 percent of its revenue. More than 100 million songs have been downloaded from its online music store.

For Cupertino, California-based Apple, the iPod operation "is the most important division because of its visibility and high growth," said Michelle Gutierrez, analyst with Schwab SoundView Capital Markets.

But, Gutierrez said, RealNetworks' software should not have an impact on Apple.

"This is not really material at this point," she said. "It hasn't been proven that RealNetworks provides a benefit. Their songs are not cheaper (and) they don't have a broader selection."


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: apple; beeber; ipod; realnetworks; stunedbeeber
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"We're just stunned that someone figured out how to sell their music to play on OUR hardware". How very Apple-onian.

I feel the same way about this that I did about the Iran-Iraq war. This is two leftist-supporting companies duking it out. May there be many casualties and much loss of resources on Both sides.

1 posted on 07/29/2004 12:13:55 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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"We love our 3% market share, and nobody will be allowed to make it bigger!"

Dorks.

2 posted on 07/29/2004 12:15:09 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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I'd be suspect of the company that basically originated spyware too.
3 posted on 07/29/2004 12:15:43 PM PDT by rintense (Free the Soxdox!)
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May there be many casualties and much loss of resources on Both sides.

Perhaps you should go into competition with them. Surely someone with conservative leanings could put them both under in no time.

4 posted on 07/29/2004 12:17:25 PM PDT by Glenn (The two keys to character: 1) Learn how to keep a secret. 2) ...)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I thought iPods played MP3 files. Someone please explain to me what the heck is going on.


5 posted on 07/29/2004 12:19:15 PM PDT by krb
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To: Leroy S. Mort

I think Apple has more to fear from Apple Records. Twelve percent of their revenue from a market they agreed not to be in.


6 posted on 07/29/2004 12:19:35 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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"We love our 3% market share, and nobody will be allowed to make it bigger!"

Isn't that their official mission statement? It amazes me that they would rather have 3% market share just so they can feel superior.

7 posted on 07/29/2004 12:19:55 PM PDT by Lost Highway (The things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of his glory and grace.)
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I don't like Real, but I see no problem with what they did here. Reverse engineering is perfectly legitimate.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 12:20:24 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: Leroy S. Mort

RealNetworks Stuned Apple's Beeber.


9 posted on 07/29/2004 12:22:06 PM PDT by blanknoone (Kerry is Bin Laden's Man, Bush is Mine.)
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To: Glenn

I have a RIO MP3 player that plays CDRW disks. Cost me $49.99 and plays every bit as good as an iPawd at 5 times the price. Plus I don't have to think about Steve Jobs backhanding the mark-up on his little art museum piece to the Kerry campaign. Think Different.....


10 posted on 07/29/2004 12:22:52 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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After leaving Congress in 1995, [Washington Senator] Maria [Cantwell] joined a software start-up in Seattle. As Senior Vice President of Consumer Products at RealNetworks, she helped create 1,000 jobs in Washington state.
11 posted on 07/29/2004 12:23:46 PM PDT by Petronski (Edwards threatening al Qaida is like Pee Wee Herman threatening Lucca Brazzi.)
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To: ThinkDifferent
Reverse engineering is perfectly legitimate.

Perhaps you should take another look at the DMCA laws. I think you're mistaken.

12 posted on 07/29/2004 12:24:27 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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RealNetworks Stuned Apple's Beeber.

I was just about to post that. LOL

13 posted on 07/29/2004 12:24:34 PM PDT by Petronski (Edwards threatening al Qaida is like Pee Wee Herman threatening Lucca Brazzi.)
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To: blanknoone

I knew a stuned beeber would work it's way into this thread... top 10!


14 posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:30 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: ThinkDifferent

The DMCA bars reverse-engineering of cryptography.


15 posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:48 PM PDT by Petronski (Edwards threatening al Qaida is like Pee Wee Herman threatening Lucca Brazzi.)
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To: Hank Rearden; Lost Highway

Apple's music products (iPod and iTunes) are quite a bit above 3% of their respective markets. Estimates are that iPods account for 10-25% of the portable MP3 market, and iTunes accounts for 70% of the online music download market.

About 4% of personal computers are Apple brand. You'll notice if you look closely that most of those who make money from music and video use Macs.


16 posted on 07/29/2004 12:26:26 PM PDT by Theo (homeschooling: small class sizes, effective discipline, healthy socialization, family values ...)
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To: Lost Highway
If they think they're stunned now, just wait until Janus drops a nuke on their 'Pod this fall. They're going to wet themselves.
17 posted on 07/29/2004 12:26:32 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: ThinkDifferent
Apple said once its iPod software is updated it is "highly likely" that RealNetworks files "will cease to work with current and future iPods."

This will keep apple in the 3 percent area, they were hoping to use iPods as a push off point for their other products (integration). Sadly this will be declared a violation of the DRM (or should be they way it has been applied).

18 posted on 07/29/2004 12:27:16 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: blanknoone

I'm saving up for my iBeeber.


19 posted on 07/29/2004 12:27:16 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Theo

Watch and see what Janus does to those wispy-goateed Kerry voters at Apple.


20 posted on 07/29/2004 12:28:29 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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