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Cleveland Editor Takes Heat for Publishing Gun List
E&P ^ | 07/28/04 | Joe Strupp

Posted on 07/29/2004 8:13:42 AM PDT by Pikamax

Cleveland Editor Takes Heat for Publishing Gun List Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton

By Joe Strupp

Published: July 28, 2004 11:25 PM EST

NEW YORK When Ohio legislators approved a new law allowing residents to carry concealed weapons, but allowed only the media to find out the names of those obtaining such permits, The Plain Dealer in Cleveland decided to let the public know which of their neighbors were on the list.

Starting Wednesday, the paper began publishing the names, ages and home counties of the 3,000 residents who have taken out such permits, citing the public's right to know.

"We don't think the public should be denied access to the names at all," said Plain Dealer Editor Doug Clifton, who published about 1,500 names over a full page Wednesday and planned to run a page and a half of the remaining names on Thursday. "We figured it was our obligation to share it with the broader public."

But that did not sit well with a local gun rights group, which aimed its opposition to the publication effort directly at Clifton. Ohioans for Concealed Carry (OFCC) posted Clifton's home address, phone number and even a map to his house on its Web site Wednesday. The group claimed that if readers have a right to know who has concealed weapons, they have a right to know Clifton's personal information.

"The Plain Dealer was one of the first to publish its intention to abuse the media access privilege, granted after Gov. [Bob] Taft insisted that reporters could act as a check and a balance to insure that licenses were being issued appropriately," the OFCC Web site states. "The editor believes in open records. Thus he should certainly have no problem with OFCC publishing his home address and telephone number."

OFCC also posted information about the cost of Clifton's house, his personal background and educational information, and how many children and grandchildren he has.

Clifton, a longtime leader in the Freedom of Information battle and former chair of the American Society of Newspaper Editors FOI committee, said the information went up at noon Wednesday and sparked a flurry of phone calls to his home. "There has been a steady stream of phone calls, some of them obscene," he said. "I talked to my wife at about 3 p.m. and she said they were coming about one every two minutes."

The veteran editor, who said he has always had a published phone number, hoped he would not have to change it, and did not expect to alter the paper's plans for publication of the names, which will include a monthly update on any new concealed weapons permit registrants. "I'm going to play it out and see what happens," he said. "I hope no one gets it in their head to come knocking on my door."

The Ohio legislature passed the law in January, according to Clifton, who said the new legislation took effect in April. The Plain Dealer did not publish the lists until now because it needed time to compile the names and get all of the information together, he said.

The Plain Dealer is the fifth Ohio daily to run the names of permit holders since they began to be issued, but the only one to put them online.

Editor Matt Westerhold of the Chronicle-Telegram in Elyria, one of the other papers running the lists, said he had received some angry phone calls and letters, but nothing more. "It is valuable public information," he said about the decision to run the names. "It was very strange for them to allow only the media to [have access to the names]."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; cleveland; dougclifton; privacy
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1 posted on 07/29/2004 8:13:47 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

What about scouring out the editor's personal information and publishing it on the web?


2 posted on 07/29/2004 8:16:00 AM PDT by tbpiper (Michael Moore…..the Erich von Däniken of political documentary)
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To: Pikamax

Publishing this bastard's name and address is a good start.


3 posted on 07/29/2004 8:16:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Pikamax
The Plain Dealer in Cleveland decided to let the public know which of their neighbors were on the list

Why don't they publish a list of all the people who've had abortions? It's just as private & personal, IMHO.

4 posted on 07/29/2004 8:17:21 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Pikamax

What possible reason does this doofus have for publishing gun owners' names? So 'reasonable' people can avoid them?


5 posted on 07/29/2004 8:18:21 AM PDT by Sender (Official DNC Convention Anthem: "Send In The Clowns")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Does he not have a gun for home defense?


6 posted on 07/29/2004 8:19:11 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: tbpiper; All
"What about scouring out the editor's personal information and publishing it on the web?"

There is a web site called intelius.com. Intelius can provide a wealth of information. Unfortunately, it is not free though.

7 posted on 07/29/2004 8:19:13 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Pikamax

The law of unintended consequences may come into play here. Now the bad guys will definitely know who not to pick on, it will narrow down their list of houses and businesses to burglarize, rob etc.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 8:19:40 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Puppage

I think that's a perfect idea: publish the names of everyone who has had an abortion in Cleveland until they stop with the gun list.


9 posted on 07/29/2004 8:20:04 AM PDT by Sender (Official DNC Convention Anthem: "Send In The Clowns")
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To: Pikamax

The provision in the law allowing only the media to obtain the names of people seeking gun permits is extremely weird. I don't know the rationale for that provision, but it might violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Unless lawmakers can provide a compelling, rational basis for this distinction, the law is very questionable.


10 posted on 07/29/2004 8:22:27 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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"The Plain Dealer in Cleveland decided to let the public criminals know which of their neighbors were not on the list. "
Well, this should be a big selling issue among the criminals all around Cleveland.


Someone without a gun who gets burglared should sue the paper for telling criminals that they didn't have a gun. Better yet they should get a gun.

11 posted on 07/29/2004 8:23:27 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Puppage
Why don't they publish a list of all the people who've had abortions? It's just as private & personal, IMHO.

It's also a specially protected species of medical info afforded to the baby killers by congressional intervention. But a great idea none the less!

12 posted on 07/29/2004 8:28:26 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: tbpiper

Now that we have his name and address, maybe we should sign him up for subscriptions to all sorts of Pro Second Ammendment stuff.


13 posted on 07/29/2004 8:34:35 AM PDT by rllngrk33 (The fourth estate in this country has become a fifth column.)
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To: Pikamax
I live near both these newspapers.

I've been specifically waiting to apply for concealed carry till the papers did this.

I want it to either become:

a) old news,

-or-

b) be taken out of the paper by legal action

before I actually apply for concealed carry.

If you lived in my area, you would have seen this coming from a mile away as well.
14 posted on 07/29/2004 8:36:01 AM PDT by arfan (Think Critically... Act Decisively... Reflect Constantly...)
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To: Pikamax
Of course what this fool did is detestable--but on the other hand, I wouldn't mind at all if my name were published on such a list. In fact, it wouldn't be a bad thing if one day the Washington Post printed a banner headline on the front page:

CAPRIOLE OWNS LOTS OF BIG UGLY GUNS!

Breaking Into Her House May Not Be Good Idea

15 posted on 07/29/2004 8:38:10 AM PDT by Capriole (DO NOT WRITE IN THIS SPACE. FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY.)
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"Gov. [Bob] Taft insisted that reporters could act as a check and a balance to insure that licenses were being issued appropriately."

The media do not have a right to have special access to government records. If these records are to be public, they should be available to all. And the media have no right to act in a quasi-governmental capacity as a "check and balance" about the proper issuing of licenses. This whole thing stinks.
16 posted on 07/29/2004 8:40:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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It is too late now, but they should have told the Editor that many of the folks on the list were confidential informants for the paper. They would not have made the names public (unless the price had been right).

Why do readers need the names of those packing but not the names of those who provide the paper with private information?

17 posted on 07/29/2004 8:41:43 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Pikamax

Whatever happened to the right to privacy? F***ing hypocrites.


18 posted on 07/29/2004 8:42:15 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Pikamax

For later.


19 posted on 07/29/2004 8:53:10 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Pikamax

I'd be quite thrilled to see my name and address on a list like this. I'll bet the number of robberies at the addresses listed in that newspaper is going to be zero -- for quite some time.


20 posted on 07/29/2004 8:54:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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