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Mark Steyn: Terminator or girlie man
The Spectator (U.K.) ^ | 07/31/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/29/2004 7:55:47 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: knighthawk
Thanks for the ping.

which Parag Khanna of the Brookings Institution argues that Europe is ‘the world’s first metrosexual superpower’.

41 posted on 07/29/2004 10:12:41 AM PDT by milestogo
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings

Ping


42 posted on 07/29/2004 10:15:13 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: tertiary01

LOL!

Did you mean for your link to go to a "no such thread" message or was it zotted?

It's funny as is.


43 posted on 07/29/2004 10:17:34 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Pokey78
Girlie men are ‘men without chests’ — in the C.S. Lewis sense, rather than the Schwarzenegger one. I didn’t come up with this choice, nor did Arnold.

For those who may not get the allusion:

As the king governs by his executive, so Reason in man must rule the mere appetites by means of the ‘spirited element’. The head rules the belly through the chest—the seat, as Alanus tells us, of Magnanimity, of emotions organized by trained habit into stable sentiments. The Chest - Magnanimity - Sentiment - these are the indispensable liaison officers between cerebral man and visceral man. It may even be said that it is by this middle element that man is man: for by his intellect he is mere spirit and by his appetite mere animal.

The operation of The Green Book [the book Lewis is critiquing pseudonymously - Ransom] and its kind is to produce what may be called Men without Chests. It is an outrage that they should be commonly spoken of as Intellectuals. This gives them the chance to say that he who attacks them attacks Intelligence. It is not so. They are not distinguished from other men by any unusual skill in finding truth nor any virginal ardour to pursue her. Indeed it would be strange if they were: a persevering devotion to truth, a nice sense of intellectual honour, cannot be long maintained without the aid of a sentiment which Gaius and Titius could debunk as easily as any other. It is not excess of thought but defect of fertile and generous emotion that marks them out. Their heads are no bigger than the ordinary: it is the atrophy of the chest beneath that makes them seem so.

And all the time—such is the tragi–comedy of our situation—we continue to clamour for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that what our civilization needs is more ‘drive’, or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or ‘creativity’. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.

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44 posted on 07/29/2004 10:31:30 AM PDT by RansomOttawa
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I never can get these links right. One was posted on 4/7/2004 and the lastest one was 7/27/2004. They can be obtained by a thread search I imagine. So far they haven't been Zotted!
The latest article is from the Washington Post and mentions that Arnold wants a special election in which voters get to decide if their legislators become part timers again.


45 posted on 07/29/2004 10:33:14 AM PDT by tertiary01 (The convention of prima donnas keeps going and going ..and going....a...g...)
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To: knighthawk

Tweedledee or Tweedledum.

No one's going to do what's necessary to end jihad now instead of fobbing it off to the toddlers of today to deal with when they grow up.


46 posted on 07/29/2004 10:35:31 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Pokey78

Pokey: Thank you, thank you, thank you!


47 posted on 07/29/2004 10:36:14 AM PDT by UnklGene
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To: Pokey78
Steyn refers to Andrew Sullivan as, "a moulting hawk".
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
He takes just two words to completely nail old Andrew with a priceless and absolutely appropriate word picture. He's gotta be a genius.
48 posted on 07/29/2004 10:40:17 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: lwd

bump


49 posted on 07/29/2004 11:01:59 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Pokey78; shaggy eel; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...

<< Readers may recall that I wanted Bush to invade Iraq before the first anniversary of 9/11. >>

Me, flamin' froth-and-foam-flecked, too!

Instead we got big-headed tiny blare [When he wasn't down the Red Sea flagrantly-freeloading off Middle-Eastern dictators] poncing around the globe big-noting, brown-nosing and making like he was the brain and the sophisticate [He was and is a bloody sophist, its for sure] to United States of America's President and Armed-Forces Commander-In-Chief, George Walker Bush's straw chawin' hill-billy.

In return for which bloody charade we gave Soddom and his gang another year to mass-murder and move his munitions and malignant mixtures about the region, gave the un's by that time very-well-brown-nosed one, the Euro-peon Neo-Soviet and moscow's old one and the Canadians enough time to screw another Few Billion Bucks from oil-for-FRaud, had our Man's Army sitting about on its chuff in the Gulf for six months -- got tiny's bunch of clapped out 40, 50 and 60-years-old-gear-equipped, under-paid and ill-fed one-town-garrison soldiers along for the ride.

And may well also get the two johns and the end of Civilization as we know it, to boot!


50 posted on 07/29/2004 11:37:37 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- and A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: Pokey78

He really nails it....everytime. Thank OUR LORD we still have men like him writing articles in the UK. ;o)


51 posted on 07/29/2004 11:53:32 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Pokey78

Thank you; this was just the perfect medicine for me today!


52 posted on 07/29/2004 12:06:37 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Kerry votes against what he believes because he doesn't believe in believing his beliefs. Steyn)
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To: Pokey78

BTTT


53 posted on 07/29/2004 12:29:12 PM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Absolutely false. One of the great myths of electoral politics these days is that the GOP always faces a daunting "gender gap" at the polls. The reality is just the opposite

Really..I wish that were true.

"The Gallup Organization, a major independent polling firm, concludes that in every presidential election since 1980 a gender gap has existed. Women have more often supported Democratic candidates while men have more often supported Republican candidates. In presidential elections the gap has ranged from 4 percent to 11 percent. In 1992 women voters supported Clinton in larger numbers than men by 4 percent. In the 2000 election, Al Gore won the women's vote by 11 percent."

While I will agree we may be able to get by with a 49-51 split, the point is the target group that we have to get on our side is unquestionably the female.

54 posted on 07/29/2004 12:41:13 PM PDT by evad (Tax Man and Tort Boy..remolding America in their image)
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To: Pokey78
Had President Kerry been in office on 9/11, I’ve no doubt there would have been far more UN resolutions, and joint declarations, and beaming faces announcing great progress at Nato summits, and G8, and EU and Apec. But Saddam would still be in power, and so would the Taleban, and no doubt in the latter case, under an agreement brokered by Kerry special envoy Jimmy Carter, Washington would be bankrolling the regime in return for ‘pledges’ to ‘phase out’ the terrorist training camps.

Late 2001, early 2002, it seemed like Kerry was frothing at the mouth to take on Iraq, specifying ground troops. What really scares me about the guy is that his messages have been so mixed over the years, I can't predict what his actions might or might not be. I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable if I could be sure that Steyn was right, but I can't be. Senator Waffle has been on more sides of an issue than a former governor from Arkansas as been on an intern.
55 posted on 07/29/2004 12:48:41 PM PDT by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Alberta's Child
I contend that the "war on terror" officially ended last summer

Heh.  And the War on Drugs jumped the shark when Tommy Chong went to prison for selling glassware.  We've been in the habit, since the War on Poverty, of declaring more wars than we are willing to fight unreservedly.
56 posted on 07/29/2004 1:24:44 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: swarthyguy
Tweedledee Dee or Tweedledum

Dum Dee Dum Dee Dum

57 posted on 07/29/2004 1:29:19 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: evad
What really skews those numbers is not the female vote, but the minority vote. It is pretty standard these days for GOP candidates to draw something like 65% of the male vote -- excluding minorities.

The best strategy for the GOP is not to secure the female vote (this is damned near impossible for them to do without turning into Democrats) -- it's to swing the male Hispanic vote in their favor.

John Kerry is the type of candidate who is tailor-made for a female electorate. If the GOP were ever to nominate someone like that for President, I'd be moving back in Canada in 48 hours.

58 posted on 07/29/2004 1:36:55 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: Pokey78

Ahhhhh, reading Steyn always reassures me that there are a few clear minds out there.


59 posted on 07/29/2004 2:43:42 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Pokey78

Thank you for beating quidnu__.

Some ringers:

"Had President Kerry been in office on 9/11, I’ve no doubt there would have been far more UN resolutions, and joint declarations, and beaming faces announcing great progress at Nato summits, and G8, and EU and Apec. But Saddam would still be in power, and so would the Taleban, and no doubt in the latter case, under an agreement brokered by Kerry special envoy Jimmy Carter, Washington would be bankrolling the regime in return for ‘pledges’ to ‘phase out’ the terrorist training camps. The senator gives no indication that he’s up to the challenges of the age.

"But, honestly, the idea that you can take a four-year intermission from the jihad because everyone’s feeling a bit stressed out is delusional. Do Sullivan and the other moulting hawks believe Iran is going to be sporting enough to go along with it? ‘Right-ho, old chap, we’ll see you back here in 2008 for full-scale Armageddon. Enjoy the break.’

"Sloth favours the Islamists. Readers may recall that I wanted Bush to invade Iraq before the first anniversary of 9/11. If he had done, he’d have saved himself a whole lot of trouble, and we might even be rid of the mullahs or Boy Assad by now. The President has to be a terminator: he has to terminate regimes and structures that support Islamist terrorism. And, if every bigshot associated with the cause winds up like Uday and Qusay, the ideology will become a lot less fashionable. All these girlie-man options sound so reasonable, but they’re a fool’s evasion, an excuse to put off indefinitely the fights that have to be fought — in Iran, North Korea and elsewhere.

"Girlie men ... . As I wrote back in 2001, the Islamists have made a bet — that we’re too soft and decadent to see this through to the finish. This November, one way or another, they’ll get their answer."


60 posted on 07/29/2004 3:25:19 PM PDT by GretchenM (A country is a terrible thing to waste. Vote Republican.)
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