Posted on 07/28/2004 8:54:23 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
On July 19, 2004, the National Foundation for American Policy (NFAP) released a study entitled The Multiplier Effect. The study revealed that a large percentage of top students in the U.S. are the children of immigrants [both with immigrant and nonimmigrant visa status] -- 65 percent of the top math students and 60 percent of the top science students. Groups of students studied include: the Intel Science Talent Search finalists, the Math Olympiad's top scorers, and the U.S. Physics Team. The parents of these top students came from a diverse mix of countries, including: India, China, Taiwan, Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Turkey, and South Korea.
The Executive Director of NFAP and author of The Multiplier Effect, Stuart Anderson, asserts:
"These findings provide evidence that maintaining an open policy toward skilled professionals, international students, and legal immigration is vital to America's technological and scientific standing in the world... If opponents of immigration had succeeded over the past 20 years two-thirds of the most outstanding American scientists and mathematicians would not be here today...Efforts to preserve U.S. strength in science and technology should start by recognizing the key roles immigrants ans their children play in the nation's leadership in these fields. ...contributions made by the children of immigrants are beyond that ever considered by policymakers. "
A complete copy of the report from the study can be found at: http://nfap.net/researchactivities/studies/TheMultiplierEffectNFAP.pdf
The key is to promote LEGAL immigration.....
And what can we learn from this? Simply stated, parents (not teachers) are the number one force that impacts a child's education. Parents that support, take an active role in education, and challenge their child to excel, will find that their child does indeed excel. Parents that chose to watch TV, play and be their child's 'Best Friend' instead of fufilling the responsibility of pushing their child forward; will watch as their child is left behind. It was true 100 years ago, it was true 50 years ago, and it's true today. Parents matter.
If the USA hadn't aborted forty million of it's own during those 20 years, America could have filled our employee needs with our own.
If you are an illegal alien working in the USA-thank an abortionist.
It's a culture of education and study habits and constant family pressure. Sometimes it's not good though. Having as much immigrant friends as I do, some have a lot of screws loose.
When the Soviet Union launched the Sputnik satellite, America invested in a new generation of scientists and engineers, whose innovation paved the way for the information economy. But in the last 30 years, our nation has fallen from third in the world to twenty-third in the number of new scientists and engineers in the workforce.
Legal immigrants who are able to provide completely for themselves and their families --- there should be no immigrants at all who are dependent on food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, housing subsidies, SSDI. They wouldn't all have to be highly educated --- the test should be the ability to be self-reliant --- and no sponsoring of indigent or non self-reliant family members should go on.
If I were to pour over those same statistics, I could come up with any number of studies that proved U.S. students were the best in a number of areas. Statistics can be manipulated to back just about any angle you want.
The problem is, these yahoos don't want any negative information to reach critical mass, so they're going to hunt and hunt and reveal anything at all that sound rosey regarding immigrants.
Personally, I'm a law abiding person. Illegal activity sends me over the edge.
My survey says more liberal lunatics are willing to break the law and facilitate illegal immigration by any means possible. Conversely, fewer U.S. citizens respect the nation enough to demand that it's laws are upheld.
Even if this study doesn't limit itself to illegal immigration, until illegal immigration is taken care of and our immigrants assimilate, I don't want to hear one more glossed over half-baked study that proves anything other than we are being screwed, blued and tatooed with regard to immigration..
It's time for a full moratorium on immigration. Certainly the middle-east is a must for this, and frankly, we've got enough folks swamping this nation that we're having to cave in on English as a first language in certain areas.
Enough of the rosey immigrant stories. Things are anything but rosey in on that issue.
Let me tell you something with regard to our schools. I send my children to the third grade in a southern California school. In their class they spend approximately 1/3 of their day reading, while the teachers taught the other students English.
I wonder why our kids fall behind other nations. Does anyone think Japanese students spend 1/3 of their day reading while the rest of the class learns their language. Fat chance!
"In their class they spend approximately 1/3 of their day reading, while the teachers taught the other students English. "
One small query-are you basing your assumptions on the performance of Americans w.r.t to immigrant kids on the basis of what saw in one school??Needn't be true everywhere.
Well my personal take on immigrants outperforming American kids is simple-While they may spend more time on studying language(which is far easier to learn especially if u want to learn it & u live & interact with folks who speak it all the time),they make up for it by cutting down on the frills.
Immigrant kids especially those from an Asian or Jewish background spend far less time(im not saying they don't do it at all) on dating,partying & other sorts of " cool stuff" when compared to their other counterparts.Moreover Jews,Indians,Chinese & Russians see education as a big priority & an issue of status.Another possible reason can be attributed to the (relatively) more solid family structure(immigrant communities do have far lesser rates of divorce) & parent -child interaction time among immigrants.If you come from a broken or unhappy family,ur incentives to study,especially from a socio-emotional point of view are very limited.
Yeah but at least our students know how to put a condom on a cucumber, and know how to "feel good about themselves."
With all due respect to you, and I mean it, I am completely fed up with immigrant stories. My state spends around $10 billion dollars a year on education, healthcare, incarceration and other goodies for immigrants. That money comes right out of my pocket.
For this $10 billion dollars we get folks who fly foreign flags on U.S. soil, refuse to learn the language, take $10 billion out of our economy to send outside our nation, thereby depriving our local economy the benefit of that money being spent in the U.S.
I agree that other nation's kids do better than ours. I'm not sure how it works in those foreign nations, by my wife and I are working full time so we can dump a considerable amount of our income into the bottomless pit that is supporting folks, a large portion of which dispise us. When I come home, I'm worn out and do not have the energy that I should to help the kids. Some of those other nations have wives who stay home. We're working to pay for 'their' tired and penniless who come here. Frankly, I'm tired too.
I drive to places I've frequented since I was a child. Today I go there and English is nowhere to be found. We're luck if some of those places have any English around at all. Spanish signs are very prominent. Just 1.5 miles from my home was a big billboard in Spanish a month ago. No English appeared on the sign. The number one radio station in my local market is Spanish.
I could go on, but I don't want to bore you.
I'm not in the mood to hear endearing stories about immigratns right now.
Take care. I have no ill will towards you, but I'm fed up.
All the best to you.
I have to agree with this, but I would add that " there should be no citizens at all who are dependent on food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, housing subsidies, SSDI.
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"The key is to promote LEGAL immigration....."
Yeah: safe, legal, and rare.
"Does anyone think Japanese students spend 1/3 of their day reading while the rest of the class learns their language. Fat chance!"
I have four kids in Japanese schools.
Japanese schools vary widely in quality. Some are simply social-promotion diploma mills, some are science-track prep, and others are everything in between.
However--HOWEVER--the teacher's main job is to teach the material. Kids are tested, and grades are handed out.
Even slower schools here are about four years ahead of American schools in math. In geography and the study of other countries, there is no comparison. They don't just teach kids where other countries are on the map, they teach them their currency, type of economy (manufacturing or agricultural, etc.), their primary crops, primary exports, etc., etc.
By the way, I'm talking about grade school here.
As in the America of my day, extracurricular activities are extracurricular: that is, before or after school, not during what was supposed to be class time.
I'm not saying it's some kind of utopia, but they still do things that the US used to do and has apparently stopped. The biggest problem is that liberal scum diseducators are making inroads. Look for the Japanese educational system to deteriorate over the coming decades, unless they wake up.
Our nation does, too. It is not impossible. We've been doing it for 10 years. We're definitely not rich, we just find we can do without a lot of stuff.
As for flying the flags of other countries on our soil, I guess i understand the emotion, but I'm not sure I understand your meaning. Do you mean to say that someone who has (legally, let's say) immigrated here from Brazil or Taiwan or Guatemala should not be allowed to fly flags from their home country, or celebrate their heritage in any public way? Or you just think it's disrespectful and in poor taste, and they ought to voluntarily refrain from doing so?
How do you feel about St. Patrick's Day parades?
When I lived in Buenos Aires I flew the U.S. flag and played patriotic music on the 4th of July. I felt I was within my rights to do so. I wasn't insulting the country in which I was a guest; I merely wanted to pay honor to the country where I grew up.
A large percentage of school dropouts in the U.S. are also the children of immigrants.
Most likely, the high achievers' parents are also disproportionately well-educated, have a strong work ethic, and believe education is important. They probably also teach or encourage math and reading outside of regular school assignments for their children.
Often, the poor achievers' parents are disproportionately uneducated, have poor skills in any language (and especially English), and do not value education highly. They sometimes instill a culture that doing well in school or respecting teachers is an insult to their fellow undereducated immigrants.
What this means is that we should strongly curtail illegal immigration, since those immigrants are usually the poorest and least educated people on earth, and their children are least likely to succeed. The highly educated people who contribute to our nation already come through legal immigration. Although we also admit uneducated liabilities legally, they are far outnumbered by the illegal aliens.
Do you mean to say that someone who has (legally, let's say) immigrated here from Brazil or Taiwan or Guatemala should not be allowed to fly flags from their home country, or celebrate their heritage in any public way?
I would probably agree with you except for several things.
No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States...From here.
That means that you must fly the American flag along with your foreign flag. What do you want to bet they don't?
Also, I bet when they fly the flag of their home country they are not "remembering their heritage" but rather attempting to inculcate it into the American society. Slowly, there are places around the country, where these illegals and legal immigrants are supplanting the American way of life with theirs.
More and more today, people are afraid to stand up show their pride in being American. Why is that? We are being told that to show American pride is jingoistic and "we are too patriotic" and the can be embarrassing to these immigrants. So what? At what point are you willing to "insult" these foreigners to halt the degradation of American pride and honor?
I'm all for remembering one's heritage. But, I am totally against the current practice of allowing the heritage of these foreigners to become more important than the American heritage.
To Doughty One: I am on your side totally.
Aha, an article that supports what I've been saying all along. Of course we have to improve legal immigration. Right now, INS (or whatever they call it now)is still a fiasco. People faced with waiting months, possibly years to be able to work legally and feed their families feel they have no choice but to come in illegally.
There are a lot of good people/families that want to come to the US. It isn't fair to call them all lettuce pickers, criminals etc. Bush had the right idea, secure our borders, and check, document, and give temporary amnesty to those that are already here. At the same time improve our INS department and the entire immigration process.
If Republicans don't do this now, in a few years Democrats are going to have a lot of new rich, second generation Americans, on thier side. If you can't support immigrants simply for your Christian values, support them for your country's conservative future. The only way to effectively improve the problem is to help good families (amnesty) and kick out the undesirables (criminals).
If president Bush gets tough on immigration, without providing amnesty or another similar kind gester he will have a huge public relations problem on his hands, that will hurt us all for years to come.
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