Spy claims Israel assassinated JFK

WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/25/04 | Aaron Klein

[Publius6961]

According to al-Hayat, Vanunu now lives "with his Palestinian friends" in east Jerusalem.

Ahhhhhh. It is crystal clear now.

I was puzzled by this unexpected tinfoil report out of left field. No more.

[Atlantic Friend]

Excellent ! LOL

Well, should you venture into my parts I promise you a radiation-free cold beer.

[Publius6961]

Please don't anyone forget, however, it WAS the lovely and talented Sirhan Sirhan who got RFK.

Well, obviously, he worked for Mossad. Just like Arafat does. You have to have superior intellect to see the obvious. Michael Moore will explain it all, soon.

[Slings and Arrows]

Well, should you venture into my parts I promise you a radiation-free cold beer.

It just doesn't taste the same without the beta decay.

[SEA]

The same thesis, with a great deal of background documentation, is the basis of the book "Final Judgment" by Michael Collins Piper

[SunkenCiv]

Hmm. JFK has the same initials as the rinky-dink just nominated by the so-called Democratic Party. Arabs are anti-Bush. An Arab-run publication prints some more lunacy by a known traitor...

JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1027256/posts

[Ichneumon]

So the supposed easiest shot was a miss. Is that likely?

Yes, because at the time the first shot was made, there were tree branches between Oswald's window and JFK. Enough of a view to take the shot, but a reasonable chance to strike a branch and be deflected, which probably explains the bullet that hit the curb down by the Triple Underpass.

[Ichneumon]

ROFL! Look, you can "prove" anything by making an appropriately inaccurate, hand-drawn sketch that doesn't have to match reality.

Here are the results of actual 3D reconstructions which precisely match the dimensions of the car, the occupants, the plaza, the medical photographs, each frame of the Zapruder film, and the hundreds of of still photos which were taken on that day:

Here's what that analysis shows for the so-called "magic bullet":

Nice, straight, single shot through both men when fired from the window of the Schoolbook Depository Building, thank you very much. And JFK's and Connally's reactions appear at the same time:

Interestingly, a few seconds *before* that, both appear to be turning in reaction to something, likely the sound of the first (missed) gunshot (but both act uninjured at this point):

As for the theory that the head shot came in any way from the front, the 3D analysis shows that given the possible entry/exit locations on the skull (and the possibilities are large due to amount of damage obscuring the exact place on the front of the head where the bullet passed), any shot from the front and/or right could not *possibly* have come from anywhere near the Grassy Knoll:

The Grassy Knoll is circled in yellow. The red cone is the band of angles from which a headshot could possibly have entered from the front, after skimming over the top of the windshield. Unfortunatly, this band does not intersect the ground, and sails over the Triple Underpass at a height of 13 feet over the railing. The blue band shows shots that could conceivably have come into the car from the front, missing the windshield on car's left side (i.e., passing through where the rolled-down driver's window would have been), but unfortunately for conspiracy theorists, no witness ever claimed to have heard or seen any shooting activity from that direction.

Besides, the wounds in the skull clearly indicate an entry wound from the *back*, fragments of that bullet were found on the front floor of the car and a dent in the upper windshield frame, the head rocked FORWARD briefly before it was flung backwards (either by the "jet effect", or neural spasm, or both), and it too was a direct shot from Oswald's window:

[Ichneumon]

Please I read Case Closed years ago and even have a copy of my own. It does not close the case by any means at least to any who have made a close study of the assassination. It is, however, an excellent example of using misleading information and verbiage to obstruct rather than to elucidate.

Yawn -- the usual empty ad hominem about "Case Closed" from a conspiracy theorist. How typical.

Tell you what, son, give us your single BEST example (i.e., no scattershot broadsides in the hopes that you can make up in volume what you lack in quality) of what's allegedly wrong with "Case Closed", and we'll consider it a litmus test of your ability to separate s**t from Shinola.

[Ichneumon]

If there was just ONE piece of clear and unambiguous evidence that LHO did it I would be happy to see it.

See my post with the pretty pictures. That, and several witnesses saw LHO in that very window and identified him, plus the three men in the room under him heard him take the three shots and rack the bolt action twice between them (and made statements BEFORE the rifle was publicly identified as a bolt-action). There's your clear and unambiguous evidence -- three shots fired from that window, the injuries to JFK and Connally are mathematically consistent with shots from that window (and few other places, none of the plausible), and the great majority of "earwitnesses" stated that they heard three shots. QED right there, although there's even more evidence.

The biggest bunch of lies in any book I have read about this (dozens of them) was in Case Closed which has had its accuracy challenged and corrected in Case Reopened.

LOL! I've read Case Reopened, it's an exercise in hand-waving, loony claims long discredited, false claims about what Posner actually says, and a failure to address most of the evidence in the book.

But I understand why conspiracy nuts try so hard to dismiss Posner's book: before I read it, I had NO IDEA of the *vast* and *overwhelming* amount of evidence for the "Oswald did it" conclusion, and had no idea how badly the conspiracy theorists twisted truth, ignored indisputable evidence torpedoing their theories, or based their conclusions on isolated things taken out of context (or the self-contradictory statements of a few of the more "imaginative" people who were in the Plaza that day -- or implausibly claimed they had been).

Any alternate conspiracy theory has to, a minimum, account for the encyclopedic amount of primary evidence that Posner brings together in his book, and not just dismiss it in toto by screaming, "lies, all lies!"

You cannot show me ONE statement by any person that claims they saw LHO shooting that gun EVER unless it is the time that an "Oswald" was shooting at someone else's targets at a gun range.

For pete's sake, just how ignorant (or brainwashed by the conspiracy books) are you? There were *several* witnesses who testified in that regard, including Howard Brennan's testimony. Brennan saw Oswald in that window, firing a rifle, provided many details which proved accurately (including the presence of the black men in the window directly below Oswald's), and identified Oswald in a police lineup as the man he had seen in the window. Are you unaware of all this, are you just having selective amnesia about inconvenient facts for your conspiracy theory, or are you just trying to mislead everyone on this thread?

Nor one shred of evidence that he EVER bought ANY ammo for it or any firearm.

Oswald went hunting frequently -- is it your contention he stole all his ammo, or just that it magically materialized?

[SunkenCiv]

I understand why conspiracy nuts try so hard to dismiss Posner's book: before I read it, I had NO IDEA of the *vast* and *overwhelming* amount of evidence for the "Oswald did it" conclusion, and had no idea how badly the conspiracy theorists twisted truth, ignored indisputable evidence torpedoing their theories, or based their conclusions on isolated things taken out of context...

There are people who have some nutty ideas about JFK assassination related conspiracies. One of those categories is that there were hundreds of people in government who were involved in secret in the assassination before and after the actual event. Another category is that there was no conspiracy and that hundreds or thousands of people are engaged in a conspiracy of sorts to make everyone think that there was. The following is dedicated to that second group.

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[Oztrich Boy]

So the supposed easiest shot was a miss. Is that likely?

Yes, because at the time the first shot was made, there were tree branches between Oswald's window and JFK.

You misunderstand me. I agree that Oswald's first shot missed, most likely for the reason you say.

But "the easiest shot" was the supposed short range one (by the "trained assassin", not the "patsy with the junk gun") from the Grassy Knoll, which the House Committee could only place at a time the the Zapruder film shows no-one getting hit.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I have seen similiar reconstructions which backup the Magik bullet. All of them and this one depend upon making and accepting certain assumptions which are unproveable and thus, all are an act of faith.

[justshutupandtakeit]

All single assassin theories, including Cased Closed, are incapable of explaining Oswald's motivation since his attitude towards JFK was essentially favorable. None explain why he would do this deed and then deny it if he was attempting to become a World wide name denial makes no sense. And "he is crazy and thus inexplicable" dosn't cut it. His analysis of what would happen to US foreign policy was dead on and showed a clear understanding of why such a terrorist act would not lead to any significant change an could produce a change for the worse.

Nor do any explain how he got the gun in (the paper bag theory is full of holes), how a gun not properly sighted could be accurate or used without a LOT of practice so that its inaccuracies could be accommodated. Practice he never took.

I found much of Posner's work glib and certainly not definitive and I do not believe he did the research claimed.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Those pictures show nothing of the sort. Nor do the extremely dubious eyewitnesses of LHO being in the window nor do any pictures of the scene show anything of the sort.

Granting that he was shooting from the window does not exclude his participation in a conspiracy at any rate.

I believe the Warren Commission used a technique which gathers a huge amount of data much of which is irrelevent to the issue. Since you have read many of the interviews of witnesses I don't believe you can deny that much of the time was wasted through delving into areas of insignificant information while leaving important veins of questioning unexplored. This I found very disturbing.

It is also disgeneous to claim that because I don't believe this theory I have to be able to provide an alternative theory as though I have millions of dollars and hundreds of people to do the legwork and investigation.

I will change my terminology and drop the hundreds of lies claim. Posner did not have to lie to accomplish his purpose
it is easy enough to deceive with half truths. Watching MOOre's movie shows clearly that you can stack hundreds of half-truths without getting to one truth.

Do I believe Brennan saw someone shooting from that window? Yes. Do I believe him capable of seeing WHO that someone was? No. His testimony is unconvincing particularly since his initial answer was only that Oswald in the lineup "most resembled" the man he saw in window compared to the others in the lineup. Then, after being reassured that he would not be killed by the Communist Conspiracy, he decided that he could make a positive id. This is pretty weak stuff.

Oswald did not go hunting frequently or even occasionally. The is no proof that he used that gun. His hunting trips in the USSR were apparently so unproductive that (with a shotgun) that his companions felt bad enough for him that they gave him game.

[Shooter 2.5]

I believe you just proved the Carcano was used in the assassination. Three shots made with two shot hitting isn't the sign of a marksman. Two shots hitting approximately eight inches from each other at 44 and 88 yards is the sign of a inaccurate rifle.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I have heard the argument before: inaccurate rifle + inaccurate shooter = Brilliant success. Don't buy it.

[Shooter 2.5]

Missing two out of three isn't brilliant and neither is shooting an eight inch MOA.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Deflection is not the same as missing. But crappy gun, misattached scope, scope not sighted in, gun moved around, shooter not very good at best, shooter without practice somehow is scrambled together and produces excellent results. Sorry, but this makes no sense and is exceedingly improbable.

[Shooter 2.5]

What sort of MOA was the rifle capable of?