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Archives Installed Cameras After Berger Took Papers
New York Times ^ | 07/24/04 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

Posted on 07/23/2004 9:37:06 PM PDT by conservative in nyc

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To: conservative in nyc; Liz; Howlin; ALOHA RONNIE; RonDog; Mudboy Slim
Archives Installed Cameras After Berger Took Papers

I've heard this level of secrecy surpasses that of nuclear confidentiality. Why Bergler isn't behind bars is astounding...

21 posted on 07/23/2004 10:26:10 PM PDT by Libloather (Discovering RAT corruption isn't rocket surgery...)
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To: SBprone
You're forgetting one thing --- Sandy the Burglar would be entitled to a jury trial. These press reports try taint the jury pool by painting his actions in the best possible light. That's why I still suspect that his lawyers have had a role in leaking the story and an indictment may be imminent.
22 posted on 07/23/2004 10:26:30 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: what's up

23 posted on 07/23/2004 10:35:44 PM PDT by Registered
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To: SBprone

Berger's problem is a federal felony prosecution that won't be influenced in the least by anything the press says for or against him.

He's admitted stealing papers= one crime
Losing papers he stole=2'nd crime
Not having notes vetted=3'rd crime
Was this idiot playing the part of his own attorney since October of 03? And the unanwered question, did he pass on the info he stole to others?=major crime


24 posted on 07/23/2004 10:44:15 PM PDT by Damagro
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To: conservative in nyc

This has as much truth in it as the one about not having a black box on Ron Brown's plane!!!


25 posted on 07/23/2004 11:08:13 PM PDT by malia (HRC "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Tamsey
Exactly.

I don't know why they think they can stop people like the Clintons, et al, since they don't obey any rules or laws anyway. Making new ones won't bother them. It doesn't help that they always get away with it either. Start charging them and let's see if they don't stop. A few of them behind bars would go a long way to curbing their desire to break more laws.

26 posted on 07/23/2004 11:18:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl; Brimack34
Berger leaked Chinagate secrets too!
27 posted on 07/23/2004 11:36:06 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: conservative in nyc
NYT Distortion & Evasion Alert (to insulate Clinton/Lindsey?):

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The new policy, issued March 31 to security officers at the archives, lays out toughened steps for safeguarding research rooms used by nongovernmental employees who are given special access to classified material.

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Nonetheless, officials at the National Archives viewed the episode as troubling enough that they reviewed their security procedures and issued new guidelines for dealing with nongovernmental researchers like Mr. Berger.

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For a small number of former senior government officials like Mr. Berger who retain security clearances, the agency also has separate classified research areas in Washington; College Park, Md.; and at some presidential libraries.

The Times is pulling its punches here, and being inaccurate.

As a former presidential appointee, Berger can obtain a clearance waiver from the document administrator (Bill Clinton) to review documents over which he had purview during his tenure.

"Former senior government employees" do not retain clearance unless actively engaged in some sort of classified government service, which by all accounts Sandy Berger is not (advising John Kerry's political campaign is not "government service").

To have clearance, Berger as a private citizen would need to be attached to some kind of actual and demonstrable government project and/or contract, and the entity employing him would sponsor his clearance and "hold his tickets." It's not like Joe Citizen just gets a generalized Top Secret clearance and walks around with clearances in their wallet. It's not like a driver's license.

When one leaves government service to the private sector, that person technically needs to obtain a new clearance (while it is true that previous clearance expedites a new clearance, that's not pertinent here). Clearance is not transferrable, and individuals do not "own" their clearance.

Also it's clear from the Archives description of its new measures that they are for "nongovernmental researchers" and that Berger was given "special access" to the materials.

Sandy Berger in no way, shape, or form retains "clearance", only the right to get clearance waivers to examine materials from his watch.

Who knows whether this is an honest mistake, or an attempt by the Times to divert us from the fact that Berger's clearance waiver was granted by Bill Clinton via Bruce Lindsey (which would be the formal stautory procedure).

28 posted on 07/23/2004 11:50:00 PM PDT by angkor
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"However, I will agree that the liberal media will do everything in their power to spin this so that he will get off as lightly as possible..."

The dilemma faced by the liberal media is that the more that they talk/spin this, the more it stays bumped to the top of the news...when they really want the scandal to just die and go away into the memory hole.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

29 posted on 07/23/2004 11:53:23 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: conservative in nyc
It's astounding to me that they installed cameras after Berger's theft. Given the highly sensitive nature of the documents, cameras should have always been in place.

The local Seven Eleven has cameras on the Twinkies and the Snickers bars. Crazy world we live in.

30 posted on 07/23/2004 11:56:22 PM PDT by Jenya (Gore, he's a real nowhere man, sitting in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
However, I will agree that the liberal media will do everything in their power to spin this so that he will get off as lightly as possible - "no harm, no foul" so to speak.

Look, it's the responsibility of Bush's Justice Department to throw this piece of crap in prison. If they let him skate, we need to kick asses from Bush on down.

And I think they'll let him skate.

31 posted on 07/23/2004 11:58:18 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: SBprone
The interesting part is what he might to do avoid or reduce his time in a federal joint.

Maybe he's banking on a Presidential pardon.

32 posted on 07/24/2004 12:07:45 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (celebrating 6 years on FR - July 23, 2004)
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To: Damagro
Was this idiot playing the part of his own attorney since October of 03?

[Laney] Breuer was hired in October, and in January former White House press secretary Joe Lockhart was enlisted to remain on standby if a public controversy blossomed. Link

33 posted on 07/24/2004 12:18:38 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty (Who among us doesn't know Kedwards is the caterpillar in our buttermilk?)
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To: conservative in nyc

Can someone explain to me why Berger has not been charged? It was 9 months ago, he admits he did it, what else does it take to bring charges? What is he doing, negotiating? If so, with what?


34 posted on 07/24/2004 12:23:53 AM PDT by Graymatter (Cowboys make the best presidents)
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To: arasina

Exactly. Yet another freeper who claims to be in the know told me we have stuff in those rooms that we can't even dream about.

I personally do not believe that we would allow our nation's most sensitive secrets to be read by officials with regard to the nation's worst terrorist attacks WITHOUT cameras or other devices.


35 posted on 07/24/2004 12:35:56 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: spycatcher

I'm going to ask two dumb questions. Can't and shouldn't his security clearances be revoked at a minumum? That would effectively end his prospective government career I'd think. Second, was the sock stuffing allegation based on eye-witness or video surveillance?


36 posted on 07/24/2004 3:38:00 AM PDT by Ranger
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To: Graymatter

It seems like a pretty cut and dried case doesn't it? Maybe this is the October surprise Hillary was talking about. The Clintons knew about this months ago. They also know that Sandy is probably cooperating with the feds. The leak may have been a move to get the indictment moved up so that it happens during the summer rather than the fall.


37 posted on 07/24/2004 3:45:17 AM PDT by babaloo
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To: Jeff Chandler; Grampa Dave; Libloather

Accusers are toast without video?

Balderdash.


This Pantload himself admitted to the crime. It's very unusual for a Clintonoid to admit to wrongdoing so they must have this sucker cornered like a rat in a trap.


38 posted on 07/24/2004 4:03:37 AM PDT by Liz
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To: BigSkyFreeper

There must be some sort of evidence to convict Berger,
otherwise why the leak by his lawyer, and why the quick resignation from Kerry's staff?

I'm expecting some sort of major newspaper expose, but when? If Berger gave classified info to Kerry, and Kerry disseminated it, then Kerry's in hot water too. (I smell a possible 'setup' of Kerry by 'Der Schlickmeister') But when do you drop the bomb for maximum effect? Sunday? Midweek?

When Rush was doing his "...your dreams will come true" bit during the week he said it to Dennis Kucinich supporters once. (I did not hear him use the phrase Friday and I listened for the full three hours) If there IS anything to it at all, could the revelation be so damning that Kerry will be forced to quit the race?


39 posted on 07/24/2004 4:05:43 AM PDT by golas1964 ("He tasks me... He tasks me, and I shall have him!")
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To: Registered

Awesome GIF!


40 posted on 07/24/2004 4:10:29 AM PDT by Chieftain ('W' in '04!)
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