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1 posted on 07/23/2004 9:15:09 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: KevinDavis
Sping!!
2 posted on 07/23/2004 9:19:24 PM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: ckilmer

I am up to 517 data units on my SETI at Home...

Still find myself staring at the screen hoping that maybe someday... something....


3 posted on 07/23/2004 9:19:34 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: PatrickHenry

ping


4 posted on 07/23/2004 9:20:26 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: ckilmer

I do SETI with a radio telescope.


5 posted on 07/23/2004 9:21:08 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: ckilmer

great post! bump!


9 posted on 07/23/2004 9:24:13 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: ckilmer
If Intelligent life exists elsewhere in our galaxy

Some of us are still searching for intelligent life on this planet.

11 posted on 07/23/2004 9:25:40 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; *Space; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; ...
I just hope when we make contact, they are friendly.


13 posted on 07/23/2004 9:30:31 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: ckilmer
"estimated the number of alien civilisations in our galaxy that might currently be broadcasting radio signals."

One problem with such an estimation is that it depends on alien civilizations using radio waves instead of gravity waves for communication.

If our current level of science is wrong, and if gravity propagation is actually faster than radio waves, then advanced civilizations may not be using radio at all, except for a brief period early in their development.

And that would explain why we haven't detected *any* off-planet life after all of these years of looking and listening. We've been looking at light and listening to radio; they've been chatting with Gravity.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

16 posted on 07/23/2004 9:32:19 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ckilmer; Fedora; Professional Engineer; Bear_in_RoseBear

Everyone knows first contact doesn't occur until 2063...


17 posted on 07/23/2004 9:33:18 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I'm going on vacation in 6 days...)
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I read Rare Earth and no longer believe we have (many) intelligent companions in this galaxy.

My WAG is that the number of intelligent civilizations in the Milky Way is >1 and <<100; therefore we are effectively alone.

--Boris

22 posted on 07/23/2004 9:42:43 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: ckilmer

No, all wrong. First contact will not occur until 1947, sometime around July. Scoop! Scoop!


26 posted on 07/23/2004 9:46:26 PM PDT by Waco
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What would be the point of making such a prediction?


30 posted on 07/23/2004 9:53:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: ckilmer

Johny come very lately, imho.

Already happened.


31 posted on 07/23/2004 9:57:20 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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That means I MIGHT live to see it. I am tearing up.


39 posted on 07/23/2004 10:14:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Time for a Constitutional Amendment banning Government giving money away to anyone or anything...)
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I hope EVERYONE on Free Republic has installed the SETI screensaver Use your spare computer power when you aren't using it to search for aliens!!!
43 posted on 07/23/2004 10:18:42 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: ckilmer

Oh, wow. I was invited to this dinner. Too bad I didn't go.


79 posted on 07/23/2004 11:57:43 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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An excerpt from a speech by Michael Crichton:

In 1960, Drake organizes the first SETI conference, and came up with the now-famous Drake equation: N=N*fp ne fl fi fc fL
[where N is the number of stars in the Milky Way galaxy; fp is the fraction with planets; ne is the number of planets per star capable of supporting life; fl is the fraction of planets where life evolves; fi is the fraction where intelligent life evolves; and fc is the fraction that communicates; and fL is the fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live.]

This serious-looking equation gave SETI a serious footing as a legitimate intellectual inquiry. The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we're clear-are merely expressions of prejudice.

Nor can there be "informed guesses." If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It's simply prejudice.

As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involves the creation of testable hypotheses. The Drake equation cannot be tested and therefore SETI is not science. SETI is unquestionably a religion.


87 posted on 07/24/2004 3:39:29 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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I kind of doubt there is any intelligent life out there -- the odds are against it


96 posted on 07/24/2004 8:24:17 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: ckilmer

Doesn't this guy know that Eisenhower met with space aliens back in the 50's, and they gave us the technology for the transistor, gravity propulsion systems, and velcro? Seesh!


103 posted on 07/24/2004 9:16:57 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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Obligatory Michael Crichton quote on the Drake Equations:

This serious-looking equation gave SETI an serious footing as a legitimate intellectual inquiry. The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we're clear-are merely expressions of prejudice.

105 posted on 07/24/2004 9:22:41 AM PDT by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address.)
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