Sandy Berger, and TWA 800

7/23/04 | Philosofy123

[philosofy123]

I know it is late afternoon on Friday for me to get a good response to this posting, however, I am constantly thinking that the US government should come clean, and admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor.

I do appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public from panicking, however, after 9/11, and after the wall to wall public education regarding fanatic Islam, it would not be harmful to day to admit the truth.

Please let me know your views?

[Alberta's Child]

Far less heat, that is.

[Tallguy]

an FIM-92C stinger can reach 3 miles. An SA-14/16/18 family missile can reach 3.5 miles as far as is known.

Yeah, but with deductions for "slant range" you are getting really "iffy" about the possibility of obtaining a hit, much less a kill. Plus, the warheads on ManPads are so small as to make them ineffective killers of anything other than single engine attack jets or helicopters.

[Diogenesis]

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation

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TWA Flight 800 bombing (according to George Stephanopoulos) murdering ~230 passengers, October 31, 1998

[philosofy123]

This does not explain a flame going up from the water to the air, and then a kboom!

[TJC]

I will put in my two sense. I am an Engineer in the aerospace industry. I was working on another crash investigation with Boeing at the time. The Boeing engineers were adamant it was not the fuel tanks.</

[Mr Ramsbotham]

There is no shoulder fired missile that can hit a plane at the altitude Flt 800 was at.

Not only that, but any missile that could have hit it would have produced an initial burn that would have lit up the entire horizon. On the other hand, fuel leaking from one of the tanks, when ignited by heat from the engines, could have produced the streak of light seen by so many people.

[philosofy123]

Gorelick is a Saudi Agent?

[Non-Sequitur]

Regardless of the altitude, everybody seems to be forgetting that the Stinger and similar shoulder-fired SAMs use an infrared homing system. It would have latched on to the biggest heat source around and homed on to it. That heat source would be one of the four engines. Yet all the conspiracy theorists agree that the plane was hit in the fuselage. How do people explain that?

[dirtboy]

Yet all the conspiracy theorists agree that the plane was hit in the fuselage. How do people explain that?

Details, details... However, if this was a missile, it provides support for a radar-guided and not an IR guided missile.

[Darksheare]

From underneath, the landing lights/forward illumination would have put off far more heat than the engines.
Any manpads launched would have gone for what it could see, the lights by the center wing tank.

[Tallguy]

my brother in law, who is a pilot for a major airline, belives to this day that flight was shot down...

Nothing against your brother-in-law, but he has to fly the darned things. In order to persuade himself that his aircraft was perfectly safe, don't you think it possible that he might have 'convinced himself' as to the validity of the missile-theory? After all, if it was a missile, that means HIS aircraft isn't likely to blow up from a fuel tank explosion. Right?

[Palladin]

I agree with you 100%.

There was no center fuel tank explosion.

The coverup of the SAM missile that struck TWA 800 is one of the greatest deceits perpetrated upon the American people by a lying, venal government.

Now that Berger has been exposed as a thief and a liar, maybe he will reveal what he knows of TWA 800, as part of his plea bargain.

[philosofy123]

I am simply puzzled. Our media treated us to little bit of debate between our NATSB head, and the Egyptian government. Remember Egypt Air, and the fanatical Moslem co-pilot? He was driving that thing down as he prayed I relied on Allah! The damn recorder has the whole thing. But, at the end, when Clinton decided to cave in to the Mubarak pressure, our media became silence.

[Hollywoodghost]

IF It was shot down--By who? Don't terrorists take credit for things like this? Didn't Osama boast of what his guys did in New York and Washington? Who has taken credit for this? Anyone? I didn't think so.

[Q6-God]

Ok, say some Islomafascists did it. Why wouldn't they ever brag about it, or play it up on their training videos.

The idea of something hitting the plane is more sound, than the tank theory by far.

Wasn't there an EC-130 in the AO from the USAF Res out of Reading, PA or someother small ANG Base ? You may want to look into that.

Regards,

Q6

[Non-Sequitur]

However, if this was a missile, it provides support for a radar-guided and not an IR guided missile.

So you're back to either a naval ship, a plane launched AAM, or a land based SAM site. Since all the 'witnesses' agree on the missile came from the surface, eithe rland or sea dependeing on who you talk to, we're down to either a ship or a shore launch. And we seem to be fresh out of candidates for those. Nobody has reported the kind of flash that a ship or surface launch would have made.

[Darksheare]

True.
It is a theory and explains the witness accounts of a line rising up and hitting the aircraft before it fireballed.

And the stinger or russian equivalent would have homed on the forward illumination/landing lights from underneath.
They're by the NTSB's famous center wing tank.

I'm personally not sure of what happened, but it makes for interesting thought ex when coupled with Stephanopolous' statement of "like when flight 800 was bombed"..
(Richard Rieded?)

[GarySpFc]

Flight 800 was shot down in July. The election was in November. Hardly "a few weeks"

You're under the mistaken impression that facts matter to the nutters.

I normally consider stories of this sort nuts myself. However, Jack Cashill produced the TWA Flight 800 documentary is a friend of mine, and so I went to a special event hosted by him. Some of the items mentioned made me curious, but at the end of the meeting one comment really caught my attention. A man stood up and said, "I'm a retired TWA 747 captain, and there are 36 additional 747 captains in this room. We can tell you for a fact TWA 800 was not brought down by the center fuel tank exploding as the government states. The center fuel tank exploding would have brought down the plane, but not in the way the government is stating. The plane would have been crippled, and it would have come down much slower. The government's scenario simply is not possible."

[philosofy123]

You are correct. But, at the end, we need to know the story of TWA 800, and Egypt Air, especially if they may add to the Moslem terrorist work.

[Darksheare]

The NTSB's miracle exploding center wing tank statement has been shown to be hen teeth, and they didn't change the design of teh CWT for a long time until people started questioning it.
(They grounded the Concorde for one accident. And grounded other aircraft due to one accident, but teh 747's kept flying..)