Sandy Berger, and TWA 800

7/23/04 | Philosofy123

[philosofy123]

I know it is late afternoon on Friday for me to get a good response to this posting, however, I am constantly thinking that the US government should come clean, and admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor.

I do appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public from panicking, however, after 9/11, and after the wall to wall public education regarding fanatic Islam, it would not be harmful to day to admit the truth.

Please let me know your views?

[Alberta's Child]

If the Block 1 was accepted into service in 1999, wouldn't it have been tested extensively before then?

[Non-Sequitur]

And if the U.S. Navy can't even identify a terrorist shoot-down of a passenger jet in the middle of a freakin' training exercise, then we ought to turn the Pentagon into Disney World and put this country out of business.

And what was it, exactly, that the Navy was supposed have had that allowed it to immediately identify the crash as a terrorist incident?

[sphinx]

TWA 800's successful shootdown took place only weeks before DIRT Ex-POTUS' re-election. Acknowledging a terror horror on US soil that close to the balloting wouldn't ensured not only a Xlinton loss, but the end of Democratic rule for a generation.

Do you think a terrorist attack a few weeks before the election would ensure Bush's defeat?

[Darksheare]

And earlier in thread I pointed out that no-one really knows for sure what happened.
I understand.
But the missile or a shoe bomber is more likely than the NTSB's miracle CWT..
(For some really interesting threads about this subject, look up the name "asmodeus" under the search option "find user" on the search page.. You'll see several very heated discussions which I'm sure you'll remember..)

[Darksheare]

From underneath, the landing forward illume lights are sun hot and brighter ir source than the engines.

[walden]

I can't buy your theory that our Navy shot it down for one reason-- wouldn't a whole bunch of people on that ship have known what they had inadvertantly done? And, they've all stayed silent all this time? I don't buy that. At least one person would have felt guilty and gone to the press with that story.

[Darksheare]

Wasn't aware of Long Face's slip up.
Makes me very interested in what the 'real deal' is.

[Alberta's Child]

How about an unidentified object appearing on a radar screen, and closing rapidly on a civilian aircraft that immediately disappears from view?

Even if they don't immediately identify it as a terrorist attack, don't you think this sequence of events is going to warrant some serious scrutiny?

[Happy2BMe]

tnx. Flight800 and OKC Bombing both Clinton legends - BUMP!

[Non-Sequitur]

If the Block 1 was accepted into service in 1999, wouldn't it have been tested extensively before then?

Yes, but where? That is the question. In my over 20 years experience as a Naval Officer, including 9 years active duty time with the Atlantic Fleet, I never once participated in a live missile firing outside the Atlantic Fleet range near Puerto Rico. I never heard of a live firing exercise of any kind north of the Virginia capes. The Navy isn't stupid, regardless of what you may believe. Certainly not stupid enough to fire a missile into the most heavily travelled air corridor in the world.

[ovrtaxt]

OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.

Here we go again....

[Alberta's Child]

That is certainly a plausible "hole" in the theory. My point is that this theory makes far more sense than the silly explanation put forth by the FBI and NTSB, complete with an animated cartoon that defied all laws of physics (i.e., a 747 climbing 3000+ feet after the front of the aircraft had separated from the rest of the body) and a staged explosion that required the use of a flammable accelerant in order to "work properly."

[Alberta's Child]

Like I said earlier . . . Just ask the Iranians -- it's not as if this kind of thing hasn't happened before with the U.S. Navy.

[NativeNewYorker]

Ahhh, but this credit came in the form of a fax to a London Islamist news agency...a few hours before the shootdown.

[Non-Sequitur]

How about an unidentified object appearing on a radar screen, and closing rapidly on a civilian aircraft that immediately disappears from view?

It took an another aircraft to tell the air traffic control people that one of their planes was missing. And it's their job to watch the civilian air traffic. Why would a navy ship miles, not involved in ATC at all, be watching clsoe enough to catch something the Air Traffic Control could not?

[NativeNewYorker]

Do you think a terrorist attack a few weeks before the election would ensure Bush's defeat?

It would depend entirely on his response.

[GarySpFc]

The fact that they could not confirm the presence of explosives does not mean they were never present.

Who said they never confirmed the presence of explosives? The residue found on several adjoining seats was tested by two independent laboratories, and determined to be missile propellant.

[Non-Sequitur]

Like I said earlier . . . Just ask the Iranians -- it's not as if this kind of thing hasn't happened before with the U.S. Navy.

Let's see, Straits of Hormuz vs. Atlantic Ocean, Persian Gulf vs Long Island Sound, cruising off Iran vs cruising off New York or New Jersey. Yeah, I can see where they might get confused and shoot at something. </sarcasm>

[Grampa Dave]

"I am an Engineer in the aerospace industry. I was working on another crash investigation with Boeing at the time. The Boeing engineers were adamant it was not the fuel tanks."

Ask any pilot, co pilot or engineer who flew a 747 if they ever were afraid of a fuel tank explosion?

Next question: "How many 747's crashed before this flight and how many of those crashes were due to exploding fuel tanks?"

The hole fuel tank joke is another joke forced on the America public by Gorelick and covered up again by the Bergelar.

[TJC]

The sad thing is Boeing had to spend a lot of $ on a non issue. I remember how pissed they were. They went into detail at the time (After dinner and a few drinks), but I do not remember much. Based on my dealings with the NTSB and FAA in the investigation I was on, they are very political and almost totally nontechnical.
I never believed it was the fuel tank.