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Did Sandy Berger “Fry” Flight 800 Records?
Mens News Daily ^ | July 22, 2004 | Tom Kovach

Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7

During the 1980s, renowned radio commentator Paul Harvey said something that I’ve quoted often to my friends. Opining about various wars and upheavals — in the Middle East, Central and South America, Northern Ireland, and Cambodia — Harvey said, “Sometimes you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”

During this election year — while the country is at war with shadowy terrorist networks, both here and abroad — Paul Harvey’s advice seems especially appropriate. Americans have already come up with various combinations of “Berger & Ketchup” to describe the relationship between former Clinton Administration national-security advisor Sandy Berger and presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (who is married to ketchup-fortune heiress Teresa Heinz-Kerry). Adding to that, I will say that Berger’s recently-abdicated title as an “informal advisor” to the Kerry campaign is starting to look a lot like the “unofficial spokesman” on the Wendy’s Hamburgers TV commercials. (Oddly, the Wendy’s theme has shown up in another of my articles about the Flight 800 mystery.)

The recent revelation by Sandy Berger that he removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives, and then “lost” them, has numerous implications during this election season. Berger was the national-security advisor to Bill Clinton, who is the most scandal-laden president in US history. Flight 800 was destroyed in mid-air during the 1996 re-election campaign of Bill Clinton. Another high-level Clinton insider — former White House chief of staff, turned ABC-TV news analyst, George Stephanopoulos — referred to the bombing of Flight 800 on the air. With that remark — and his associated description of being inside the “other situation room” in the White House at the time of the Flight 800 disaster — a direct link was made between Clinton and Flight 800. This link was, of course, overlooked by the “mainstream” news media.

So, what does this link between Bill Clinton and Flight 800 have to do with the current John Kerry presidential campaign? Well, perhaps nothing, except thatJohn Kerry also referred to Flight 800 as a terrorist incident in a televised interview. The problem is that, with the upcoming release of the final report of the “9-11” Commission, the general public will have the opportunity to refresh their memory about the link between Flight 800 and terrorism. Having spent years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, it is now impossible for Kerry to deny that he had access to information about any link between Flight 800 and terrorist acts. Therefore, if such a link is proven, then a line can be drawn between the downing of Flight 800 in 1996 and the “9-11” attacks in 2001. Again, because of his committee experience and his televised interview, Kerry cannot now distance himself from his comments about “9-11”. Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.

What is known is that there are numerous pieces of evidence that point to the involvement of a missile in the TWA Flight 800 disaster. What is known is that President Clinton issued an executive order that was targeted to silence the Navy SEALs that were on scene at the Flight 800 debris field in the Atlantic Ocean. What is known is that the FBI was very embarrassed when news of Bureau interest in missile technology became public. (Read the portion about the Teledyne fax to Dee Muma.) What is known is that the Navy SEALs are following the Flight 800 story. What is known is that there were other terrorist plots on US soil between 1996 and 2001. What is known is that the Clinton Administration ignored warnings about Operation Bojinka, and thus paved the way for the “9-11” attacks. What is known is that Clinton wanted to cover his tracks about the probable Bojinka—“9-11” link. What is known is that Berger is a close ally of both Clinton and Kerry. What is known is that Berger removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives. What is known is that those documents were related to information examined by the 9-11 Commission about the extent of terrorist operations in America prior to 11 September 2001. (operations that apparently continue today) What is known is that Bill Clinton and his ilk will do anything to gain and retain political power. And, just recently, it became known that Operation Iraqi Freedom had more justification than Kerry has admitted.

As this article is being written, a Federal appeals court is in session in Massachusetts. The topic is the secrecy over autopsy reports of the Flight 800 crash victims. As I reported last week, independent researcher and electrical engineer Graeme Sephton — vice-president of FIRO, and founding president of FOIAC — is winning so far in his lawsuit against the FBI. The suit is trying to force the Bureau to release autopsy reports, which allegedly contain proof of missile shrapnel in the bodies of Flight 800 victims. If the lawsuit is successful, then the official Clinton Administration story about Flight 800 will be blown to bits. The political explosion, however, will not only affect the elusive “Clinton legacy”. The fireball would also burn up the chances of John Kerry to become elected as President of the United States. And, with that would come the destruction of any potential pardons of criminal charges for culpability in a Flight 800 cover-up. And, the shrapnel from this explosion would also shred the hopes of other Democratic Party candidates, especially in Massachusetts. The timing of Berger’s revelation that he “lost” valuable documents — coming in between last week’s article about the lawsuit, and today’s court hearing — seems quite suspicious. And, the fact that the hearing is being held in Kerry’s home state certainly adds fuel to the speculation — especially considering that a Fox-TV news item mentioned the lawsuit on the Flight 800 anniversary last Saturday. It appears to me that Berger’s revelations about illegal activity are designed to take heat off Kerry, in the same way that Janet Reno’s raid on the compound outside Waco seemed timed to take media attention away from the indictment of Hillary Clinton.

Because of my own experience in the Air Force, I know that it might never be possible to determine which documents disappeared at the hands of Sandy Berger. When documents reach a certain level of classification, even the table of contents listing the documents is classified. Therefore, only people with that level of clearance, and a specific “need to know”, may be granted access to even the table of contents. Most members of the public do not realize that there are actually several layers of classification above Top Secret. If the Clinton White House did, in fact, engage in a cover-up of the shoot-down of Flight 800, then the most likely “classification authority” would have been Sandy Berger. He would have been under great incentive to hide the proof under the highest classification possible. Thus, even proof that such documents ever existed would be difficult to access.

Were the missing documents shredded, and/or burned? If so, then did Berger “fry” any records of the truth about the downing of Flight 800? (I had to make a joke about it, because, “Sometimes, you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”)


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: sandyberger; twa800
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To: Zavien Doombringer

I had heard that the fleet had been grounded, but I bow to your greater knowledge. And I also tend to agree with the missile theory you posted. The eye witness reports, the damage to the aircraft, as well as the actions of the investigators in restricting information tend to support that theory and a cover up. BTW, was the recovered wreckage of Flt. 800 destroyed? If so, was it done in a timely manner or was it rushed?


61 posted on 07/22/2004 6:40:43 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Huck

I want to know who received the documents. Friend or foe. Terrorist?


62 posted on 07/22/2004 6:42:49 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: OldFriend
I have a lot of Navy Diver freinds, from Little Creek Amphib Base that helped in the recovery.

they were told to not talk about what they find.

Some did, I can tell you what they found was evidence to prove that a missle did to the deed.

There is moree evidence that a missle caused the explosion of the fuel cells than a small arc from a wire bundle. By the way

How do you get Diesel to burn? You have to compress it to a high pressure first, the compression alone will cause a larger vapor mixture to combust, but an exciter plug...a large spark plug that burns really hot and has to maintain the arc long enough to get the engine started.

A small wire arcing could not cause the little vapors in a fuel cell to explode. Note that there aren't any "hot" wires in a fuel cell. except the probe transmitters to the gauges.

63 posted on 07/22/2004 6:45:28 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: tubebender
Can we bump all day.......this reminder that Gore had recommended the cockpit doors be hardened, only to back down in return for substantial campaign donations?

We wonder what Kristen Breitweisser's band of wicked widows would have to say about this fact.

64 posted on 07/22/2004 6:45:52 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: johnny7

Wow, this explanation makes way too much sense. What if what was 'lost' by Berger were the documents with margin notations regarding TWA 800?


65 posted on 07/22/2004 6:46:39 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (The Democratic party has been hijacked by terrorists.)
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To: OldFriend

I absolutely agree with your analysis. I don't think it is related to those "incidents" because there have already been hints *made by the dems in power then* that they were terror related.

No, this is something MUCH bigger, I think.

Care to share your theories?


66 posted on 07/22/2004 6:47:06 AM PDT by Lakeside
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To: JustaCowgirl
The only thing I could see incriminating is that any of our nave vessels that were in the area are responcible for the accident and that terrorists, which still do not claim responcibility for it, were a scapegoat.
67 posted on 07/22/2004 6:51:09 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

You're right. After the Flt. 800 investigation, it wasn't the 747 that was grounded, but rather 179 older 737s that used the same wiring design as used on older 747s. Newer aircraft don't use that design.


68 posted on 07/22/2004 6:57:43 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Zavien Doombringer

If it was terrorism, then it does seem odd that no terrorist group has ever claimed responsibility for it. Curiouser and curiouser.

What would be the possible reasons for an American naval vessel to take a commercial airliner down? If that were true, could it be plausible that it was a horrible accident?


69 posted on 07/22/2004 6:59:56 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (The Democratic party has been hijacked by terrorists.)
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To: JustaCowgirl
OUr Navy was in the area doing live training. If an Aircraft was dragging a target or if a Drone was in the area, all it would take is for a larger infrared signature to confuse an already launched AIM 9, or Stinger.

Just think of the ramifications if the word got out that the Navy screwed up!

70 posted on 07/22/2004 7:07:39 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: JustaCowgirl
Or, IF the missle was launched from a navy vessel, it would be one of these:

The MK-26

71 posted on 07/22/2004 7:15:27 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: GBA
I don't want to re-hash all the missle launch scenarios: even Peter Lance ("1000 Years for Revenge") who accepts the notion that a BOMB might have gone off, dismisses the missile theory.

I agree on patterns . . . except, the very nature of accidents is that they defy patterns. Yes, usually what happens in one happens in all, but not always. Alan Pinkerton died of gangrene after biting his tongue: a Fla. delivery man was crushed under a rack of "Nutty Buddies." In the battle for Baghdad, an Abrams tank had a one-in-a-million shot hit its rear fuel cell at just the perfect angle to start an uncontrollable fire. There are things you just cannot explain, and without SUBSTANTIAL evidence of a bomb or missile, it really is at best a conspiracy theory of the worst type, because it not only requires you (not you personally) to believe that the Clinton administration officials all lied (not too hard) but that dozens, even hundreds, of trained federal employees (some of whom could make a FORTUNE by "outing" the "real story"), including good people like Jim Kallstrom, have come under horrible accusations and slander because they didn't come to the "right" conclusion as far as some Freepers are concerned.

It starts to reach a critical mass that defies belief, and, as I say, it then impugns Bush, Cheney, Rice, and every other Republican who had any ability to "find out the truth." So, like I say, I'm awaiting real evidence, not just the logic that it doesn't "seem right."

72 posted on 07/22/2004 7:15:30 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: johnny7

Sounds to me that it's about time that W. gets Condi to go to the Archives and start doing a bit of data-mining herself, and see what else there might be in the files around the same timeframe.


73 posted on 07/22/2004 7:18:01 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: JustaCowgirl
"it be plausible that it was a horrible accident? "

Spend a couple of days reading the archives at twa800.com.

74 posted on 07/22/2004 7:19:15 AM PDT by Deguello
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To: LS
You are correct. I wouldn't want to harp on "conspiracy theories", however, if you were to look at the investigation yourself. You would see what the Government doesn't want you to see. Eye witness accounts that said they saw a trail of light then an explosion, and these accounst were seperate.

These witnesses were dismissed. Plus, if a bomb did it, then you would see even disbursment of debris.

You can see that the debris from the object in question, remained on the trajectory even after impact, note that the divers were told to find debris away from the actual main debris sites (Navy Divers, not local salvage crews).

75 posted on 07/22/2004 7:25:26 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: NativeNewYorker
The first thing I thought of when I heard the Sandy Bergler news was TWA 800.<

Here's the first thing I thought of:


76 posted on 07/22/2004 7:27:23 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ovrtaxt

If the dots can be connected .. Clinton and his Goons are in BIG trouble with the American people


77 posted on 07/22/2004 7:28:35 AM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: johnny7
I've posted this top a few other threads. Please ignore if you've seen it before ...

I called our local Clear Channel station the night after this story broke and spoke for about 10 minutes describing the procedures used to handle classified information. The following is a basic description of what I said ...

1) A person who wishes to review classified information at a given facility must have his/her clearance on file with the security office that has legal custody of the information.

2) Once they arrive to the facility, they must show their credentials to identify themselves, sign into the facility - maybe issued a badge indicating their clearance and access and escorted to the room where the material will be reviewed.

3) A quick sidebar on program access and document marking. The term "Access" refers to the concept of "Need to Know". The fact you have a clearance that matches the level required to have access to the material does not establish your "need to know". It must be determined by someone like a program manager or security personnel that your job function requires access to certain information. If you are granted access, you may be required to go through another level of investigation. Some levels of access (at least the ones I was exposed to) are known as "Special Need to Know" or SNTK (pronounced Snick) and "Special Access Required" or SAR. Programs with these designations require special prominent markings on each page of a classified document along with the classification level. Believe it or not, after all the markings (top and bottom) there usually is enough room for the content of the page.

4) I should also mention that each paragraph of the document starts with a designation indicating the classification level of that paragraph. This would look like (U), (C), (S), (S/SAR), (S/SNTK), (TS) or (TS/SAR). Every page is marked top and bottom based upon the highest level of any paragraph on that page. ie. it's possible to have an unclassified page in a top secret document. And as you might think, the overall classification of the document is classified at the highest level of any single page.

5) This next point is especially important in light of the current investigation. Every page is marked "Page x of y Pages". For example page 13 of a 32 page document would be clearly marked in the banner section of the page "Page 13 of 32 Pages". This is done for obvious reasons - if any page is missing, it can be accounted for. The page count is also part of the document's registration in the security catalog.

6) Once in the room, the container (probably a safe i.e. a very heavy duty file cabinet with heavy combination locks with different combinations on each drawer) is opened. This process should be logged by security personnel.

7) The documents are taken from the container. All classified documents are stamped (each page) with items such as a control number, date of creation, level of clearance (top and bottom), program name indicating what access is required and eventual dispensation (i.e. when the material is designated to destruction if applicable).

8) If the documents are classified "top secret", each document has a log on the cover sheet. EACH time a person has access to this information, they must sign and date it.

9) The material is not to be removed (ie stuffed in underwear, socks ... etc) without approval of security personnel. If this takes place, the transfer is documented on both ends of the transaction. If the material is top secret or above, it requires at least two cleared people as an escort.

10) If you travel overnight, the material is not to be kept in your hotel/motel room but instead must be taken to an approved facility. Arrangements are usually made in advance. Security people do not like suprise visits. They like to make them but not receive them.

11) No photocopies are to be made or notes copied without the proper security personnel logging this activity and making appropri
78 posted on 07/22/2004 7:29:01 AM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: johnny7

If they can send Berger to jail which they can for legitmate criminal crimes; than they can surely do the same for Bill and Hillary Clinton.


79 posted on 07/22/2004 7:32:36 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: tubebender
You're absolutely right about Daschle and his wife being involved in that. Those stringent measures "might" have prevented 9/11 or at the very least made it more difficult to accomplish.

I am also waiting to hear about the "suicidal" Egyptian pilot with the 50 Egyptian generals on board that took a nosedive into the Atlantic right after takeoff from New York. Hope to live long enough on that one.
80 posted on 07/22/2004 7:57:35 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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