Archive Employees Suspicious of Berger - They Were Watching Him

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[Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh]

Archives Employees Suspicious of Berger... devised a coding system and marked the documents they knew Berger was interested in canvassing, and watched him carefully... employees determined that that draft and all four or five other versions of the millennium memo had disappeared from the files after Berger viewed them, WASH POST set to report, say sources... Developing...

[Judith Anne]

Yes, the fact that he's still walking around is what makes me think he's turned state's evidence (deliberately) and has something stashed away for safety's sake.

[Judith Anne]

Thanks for that!

[cyncooper]

Since we like to look at 1999 and what was going on that would be in intelligence briefings, and since you mention Joe Wilson...

Remember, Joe Wilson's first trip to Niger (and the Senate Committee found that this trip, too, was suggest by Valerie Plame) was in ...... 1999.

Now, I was thinking of all these odd things, and one thing Wilson made a big deal about last summer was he just KNEW that President Bush and VP Cheney had to have been briefed on his 2002 visit (they weren't), but was Clinton briefed on Wilson's 1999 visit? Was there real evidence of uranium trading? Berger was scrubbing in the fall of 2003 when the Wilson story was being revved up to its highest pitch with even some murmurs of impeaching President Bush (we all know who concocted THAT angle).

I personally think there were several issues that several freepers have opined might have needed a good scrubbing. And the WaPo article talks about the several drafts of that millenium memo, but also makes a point of saying other documents are missing, too.

[kanawa]

From Berger's 9/11 testimony

"We have a responsibility of sober review - of asking the questions and demanding the answers that will help prevent such a brutal event from ever occurring again. A candid and fair examination of our experience is essential - neither to airbrush the past. nor to superimpose today's knowledge on yesterday's decision-making environment, but to help us sharpen our sights and our abilities as we move forward. As I said at the outset, the dangers and opportunities our country must confront lie before us, not behind."

[Southack]

"Berger was 'planting' papers 'into' the Archives.....again and again!"

We don't need to be saying such things.

You see, we win on issues. Unlike the Dems, who have no ideas newer than 1973, we don't have to depend upon a scandal bringing our opponent down in order to win.

Now, the Dems do need to show that Berger *wasn't* substituting documents...but that's a far cry from our side making claims that we can't support.

The burden isn't on us, and we shouldn't make claims so bold as to change that fact.

They've already got enough explaining to do, and the story already has legs.

Thus, from here on out we can kick back and simply watch the fun. This is all gravy; we need none of it...but it won't hurt us to watch the Dems twist on this one.

We just have to be careful to not get caught making claims that we can't support, or otherwise giving the Dems a get out of jail card via a mistake from our side.

Which means at this point: stand back and watch. This is a self-sustaining scandal with no Republican involvement. It's all on them.

It's beautiful, but we need not ruin this painting by trying to add extra color to it.

Step back. Smile. Watch.

...And listen for the THUD sound of some opposition bigwigs getting taken down.

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[Howlin]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1176109/posts

[flaglady47]

Now I would think that if the archive employees were suspicious he was copping the papers, enough so that they numbered the other sets of docs they thought he was possibly going to purloin to set him up for the next time he visited to "review" papers, that they would not make sure there would be cameras set up to film what Berger was up to that second time? They knew he was up to no good, and it would be hard to believe that no one would think not to set up a surveillance camera for Sandy's next visit to the review room. It they didn't do this, they were incredibly stupid not to. Suppose it depends on whether the FBI was involved at this point, or if it still was just the archive employees setting up the sting. That's a little hard to believe. Waiting for the next shoe to drop.

[Southack]

Photographing people with classified documents makes the photographs classified and complicates the whole chain of who has seen such documents...something that our national security personnel are trained to avoid.

So videoing people in a secure reading room is problematic.

It was unlikely to have been approved. Nor is that stupid. The wrong person with a video of a classified document might glean a name, place, or technology that costs someone, or even an entire city, their lives.

This is not Columbo on TV. Lives are at stake here. You do not flippantly photograph such secure reading rooms.

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[Hank Rearden]

What well and truly pisses me off.........FACT.........is that you or I would be clamped in irons by now. This son of a bitch may very well walk strictly because he's a well known Democrat operative.

THAT.....my friends..........THAT absolutely infuriates me.

Me too. And, my friends, let us also keep in mind who's running the Administration and Justice Dept. that would make such a decision. So, if it happens, we know whom to hold responsible.

[ClancyJ]

They can complain how awful for the GOP to leak it all they want - that is not the point. The point is that a crime was committed, our security breached by a former NSA himself.

We have to expect spin. We can't control it. However, more and more people are turning to Fox News for that very reason. Therefore, more and more are turning away from the liberal media.

The more they pull their stupid little stunts - the more they show who they really are. Do you have even a slight respect for any democrat anymore? I sure don't. Their lies show me who they are and what they are doing - lying.

But we have to stop constantly focusing on what the dems will say, how they will spin this. We are playing into their hands doing that. We do the right thing - and don't worry about what the snake pit says about it. A snake pit will hiss no matter what stirs it up - who cares?

We are the ones in power now. We can't cripple ourselves by the fear of what the dems will say. What will WE SAY - that is what the dems should be fearing - yet they know we are afraid and cower down over their brash rhetoric.

[flaglady47]

You really do miss the point here. I didn't say photograph everybody who comes into an archive room to read docs. I said, as they were on to Berger's copping documents, and knew he was coming back, that they could, for that particular occasion set up a surveillance camera to observe what Berger was doing in that room. And, as it would be being done by the FBI, I doubt highly that would fit into your category of someone spotting a word on the camera and using it against our people or country. I think it's you who is getting carried away here in order to puff your own "knowledge" about these kinds of things. Read the fine print of what I said before jumping to conclusions.

[Southack]

No, you really can't have any form of cameras in secure reading rooms. Not videos. Not film. Not digital.

There is an "access chain" of who has possession or who has viewed classified documents. Videoing people with such documents makes that access chain vastly more difficult to identify.

As a layman, you might think that no camera is ever going to record anything significant on a document that someone is reading in that room, but to people who control life and death information, such chances simply can't be taken.

So once you start recording access (e.g. on film), all of those films or videos have to have the same access controls applied to them, and that becomes problematic if that videotape isn't in the same secure room...and even more troublesome if there is a video monitor watching the room in addition to merely recording straight to tape...because you've got to track everyone who has *seen* that monitor while any documents were checked out.

Now granted, it could be done, but it would be *rare* to video anything or anyone in a secure reading room. The whole concept of such a room is that only one person is able to view certain sensitive information (plus 2 observers, of course).

When something is "Eyes Only", then it means just that. No one else gets to see it, video it, film it, whatever.

Lives are at stake with such information.

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[flaglady47]

Geez, how can you still miss my point? IT'S NOT TO VIDEOTAPE EVERYONE. IT'S TO VIDEOTAPE JUST SANDY BERGER WHEN HE NEXT CAME BACK TO THE REVIEW ROOM. And they KNEW he was doing something illegal the first time around. NOT EVERYONE, NOT EVERYONE, NOT EVERYONE, JUST BERGER, JUST BERGER, JUST BERGER. Now, have I made my point clear? I can't make it any clearer. This isn't review policy for every TOM, DICK and HARRY. It's a one shot deal to capture Berger doing something totally illegal on tape. For heaven's sake, HE TOOK DOCUMENTS OUT OF THE ARCHIVE. You're so worried about everyone else, how about worrying about what Berger was doing with those docs once he got them out of the room. That's what you should be worried about. Man, I feel like I'm having a discussion with a johnny one note, or with a brick wall. Can't seem to break through your mind barrier at all.

[Southack]

When Berger or anyone else is carrying, viewing, or possessing classified docs in a secure reading room, he's pretty much poison to photograph at all, from any angle, at any time.

To do it, you'd have to have your video equipment located in a secured room, with personnel monitoring it who were cleared for the very documents in question (not an easy thing to do for such docs).

And stop being such a drama queen.

I didn't say that he *wouldn't* be videotaped; I said that it would be *rare*. It probably didn't happen, but you can't completely rule it out.

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[flaglady47]

I enjoy being a drama queen. Especially at 3 a.m. Time for this drama queen to hit the sack. He probably wasn't videotaped. But I sure wish he was, as do most Freepers on these Berger threads. I'm not alone here with my opinion. But, I'm pooped now, too tired to further the "to video or not to video" rap. Just hope Berger gets nailed, in whatever way that works. Nitey nite.

[piasa]

Isn't Perry also a Kerry staffer?

MAY 1999 : (US COMPANIES FIBER OPTIC TECH TRANSFERRED TO CHINA MAY HAVE BEEN SOLD TO IRAQ) "... The transfer in late 1994, known as the Hua Mei project, involved advanced telecommunications technology -- with a variety of battlefield and civilian applications -- from AT&T via SC&M Brooks in St. Louis to Galaxy New Technology in China. The fiber-optic technology sold to Galaxy New Technology is not a weapon itself, but it greatly enhances the command and control system linking the Chinese army, navy and air force. The Chinese may have repackaged the same system and resold it to Iraq, where it would be able to threaten the lives of U.S. pilots flying reconnaissance missions. According to Aviation Week & Space Technology, Iraq's air-defense system -- code- named "Tiger-Song" by NATO commanders -- is an advanced internet for surface-to-air missile batteries using secure fiber-optic communications. One of the advantages of Tiger-Song is that it allows the Iraqi radar installations not associated with Iraqi missile batteries to lock in on U.S. aircraft and transfer the information to the missile operators through the secure fiber-optic network. Perry faced a firestorm of criticism in early 1996 following reports that he overruled objections from the Pentagon's technology directorate, as well as from critics in the National Security Agency, who wanted to block the transfer in 1994...." - Koenig's International News 5/19/99 Charles Smith

[DB]

Don't worry about legs, it is going to be a stampede soon.

The only thing that will get this out of the public eye is a terrorist attack in the US.

[CDHart]

"I want this creep in the slammer"

Go to www.usdoj.gov and tell Ashcroft to charge Berger. There are phone numbers, addresses, e-mail contact info as well.

Carolyn

[DUMBGRUNT]

"Kerry told NBC News that he had been unaware Berger was under investigation"

Clinton said that everyone has known for some time, and it was a joke?

[livius]

Coming in a little late here, but someone posted the reading room rules the other day, and apparently people are warned that there are hidden cameras. So I suspect he has been filmed. But, as Southack pointed out, even those films would probably be classified.