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The next thing I hear is the last refuge of the cornered conservative: a non sequitur fulmination against the hippie Democrats.

This coming from a guy who is in the process of writing the boilerplate liberal screed about racist dumb hick Republicans.

Conservatives see something angelic in George Bush. That's why they excuse, repress, and rationalize away so much. And that is why conservatism is verging on becoming an un-American creed.

Of course, the liberals who excused, repressed, and rationalized away about a thousand more offenses committed by Bill Clinton did so in a pro-American way.

People who support Bush and also believe that Bill Clinton is "lazy" and Teresa Heinz Kerry is an "African colonialist" are obvious retards. Yet the myriad leftists who believe that George Bush coordinated 911 with the help of Mossad are nothing less than enlightened Kerry supporters. Or at least they don’t get an article.

Posted at the author's request. His freeper name is Perlstein if you wish to address him directly.

1 posted on 07/21/2004 6:42:22 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
Posted at the author's request. His freeper name is Perlstein if you wish to address him directly.

One would have thought the Viking Kittens would have had their sport. Never mind. The fellow's condescension towards "flyover country" speaks volumes.

Regards, Ivan

2 posted on 07/21/2004 6:46:23 AM PDT by MadIvan (Gothic. Freaky. Conservative. - http://www.rightgoths.com/)
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And that is why conservatism is verging on becoming an un-American creed.

Yawn.

The left is against the Bill of Rights, especially the First, Second, Ninth and Tenth Amendments, the Constitution in general, against American sovereignty, against private property and against the family.

But that's not anti-American.

It's the hero worship that some conservatives have for W that's "un-American."

I wonder what Mr. Perlstein would have said to the Democrats that viewed and view FDR and JFK as gods come to earth? Is that "pro-American" by his standard?

3 posted on 07/21/2004 6:48:48 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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You're quoted in The Village Voice. Congratulations, I guess.


4 posted on 07/21/2004 6:49:24 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar."".)
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Why would any FReeper cooperate with this jerk? Why would they provide quotes, their names, or an invitation to their house party?


5 posted on 07/21/2004 6:50:08 AM PDT by oblomov
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Bush couldn't have been lying when he claimed to have witnessed the first plane hit the World Trade Center live on TV

Where did THIS crap come from ?

I've never heard that claim.

7 posted on 07/21/2004 6:53:01 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: dead

Ever notice that when leftists cannot understand something, they drip condescension for those who do understand? Sneering seems to take the place of being informed with this crowd every time. The author would be more credible if the left actually still had a sense of humor, and could "get" a joke. As it is, he's really not worth bothering about.

My advice to the author: Stupid and arrogant is no way to go through life. Take your prejudices and examine them honestly. Come on, just do it!


12 posted on 07/21/2004 7:08:07 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Kerry votes against what he believes because he doesn't believe in believing his beliefs. Steyn)
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To: doug from upland; ALOHA RONNIE; DLfromthedesert; PatiPie; flamefront; onyx; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Irma; ...
"...The right-wing website Free Republic is infamous for galvanizing harassment campaigns against ideological enemies..."
ping
13 posted on 07/21/2004 7:10:14 AM PDT by RonDog
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Let's see what other religion is it that classifies people as infidels? Help me out here I can't seem to remember right now.


14 posted on 07/21/2004 7:11:50 AM PDT by Kerberos (Convictions are more dangerous enemies of the truth than lies)
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Larry is asked what he thinks of Bush's budget cuts for troops in the field. He's not with Bush on everything: "I hope he reverses himself on that."

I note that he already has, due to Democratic pressure.

This statement would be true if Kerry were president because he voted not to provide the troops in the field with approximately $90 billion in funding. So, I am left wondering if the author just made this up?

16 posted on 07/21/2004 7:15:20 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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His freeper name is Perlstein if you wish to address him directly.

I would ask Perlstein, what kind of a Jew supports the party that would be soft on Islamic terrorism?? The party that welcomes Cynthia McKinney, the shuck-and-jive artist Al Sharpton, and the vile Jewhater Michael Moore...

18 posted on 07/21/2004 7:20:15 AM PDT by veronica (Hate-triotism, the religion of leftists, liberals, anti-semites, and other cranks...)
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the children indefinitely detained at Abu Ghraib

Huh?

22 posted on 07/21/2004 7:23:03 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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So what does a conservative say when such "nice guy" jazz is challenged? Say, when you ask whether a nice guy would invade a country at the cost of untold innocent lives on the shakiest of pretenses?
You choose to characterize the stated reasons, and the implied ones, as "shaky". No one can stop you from thinking so; the will to believe is enough to overcome facts most of the time, for most of us. That is why it is silly to take anyone's objectivity on faith - yours or mine. "Trust but verify."

I wonder why you characterize the number of innocent lives as "untold." Is that because anyone is preventing an accounting, or is it because you wouldn't be happy with a conservative's definition of "innocent"? Probably it is not because you recognize that Saddam's henchmen were raping and murdering "innocent" Iraqis - and their children - at such a rate as to make the "untold cost in innocent life" of stopping that horror null or negative.

Or, closer to home, whether he would (as Bush did in late 2000) go on a fishing trip while his daughter was undergoing surgery, and use the world's media to mockingly order her to clean her room while he was away?"
It seems that most of the children of presidents find that status to be limiting, and have some tendency to break the mold just as preachers children tend to do. For example, R. Prescott Reagan has never gone out of his way for political "Reaganites," and is expected to speak at the Democratic convention. But it is reported that the Bush twins have decided to campaign for their father's reelection. Notwithstanding the obvious opportunity which would beckon to either of them to profit from opposing their father's politics.

One is left to wonder whether his daughter's surgery was life-threatening or quite otherwise - and whether his daughter took the order to clean her room not as "mocking" but as a loving, self-depracatory jest.


23 posted on 07/21/2004 7:23:23 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Pseudo objective journalism is the noise and smoke brigade of the Democratic Party.)
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"...conservatism is verging on becoming an un-American creed."

HAH!! 'Tis Lib'ralism that is anti-American and un-Constitutional and in the process of being rejected by more and more good Americans...and the writer appears to be somewhat of a Village idiot...MUD

27 posted on 07/21/2004 7:46:49 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the Butcher of the Balkans!!)
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To: dead; Perlstein; oldglory; mcmuffin; JulieRNR21; MinuteGal; gonzo; sheikdetailfeather

"...People who support Bush and also believe that Bill Clinton is "lazy" and Teresa Heinz Kerry is an "African colonialist" are obvious retards. Yet the myriad leftists who believe that George Bush coordinated 911 with the help of Mossad are nothing less than enlightened Kerry supporters." ~ dead

Cognitive Dissonance is the number one hallmark of a relativist. And a relativist, by definition, makes up his own *truth* as he goes along ; basing his *changable ideas of right and wrong* on *the situation*. Relativists are the biggest danger to the undermining of our Constitution because the Constitution was only put into place to guard ABSOLUTE (UNchangeable) TRUTH. It is a meaningless document otherwise.

Below is an example of Cognitive Dissonance - (the mental confusion that results from holding polar opposite ideas, beliefs, and attitudes simultaneously) - in action.

It mirrors Perlstein's confusion perfectly.

Now the confused, but intellectually honest person, who actually does sincerely hold the polar opposite beliefs that are depicted below - is seriously in need of taking some classes to develop critical thinking skills (his/her emotional maturity being the criteria that will determine the degree of success).

There is only one other catagory of mentality that would promote the polar opposite ideas depicted below. They are the intellectually DIShonest -- the liars - those who *deliberately set out to mislead* those who are incapable of critical thought.

Perlstein falls into one of those two catagories above. The intellectionally honest reader capable of critical thought will know which catagory that is. The opinions of the others are meaningless in the real world.

The double binds of George W. Bush - by Rich Lowry
July 19, 2004

Sometimes a political figure becomes so hated that he can't do anything right in the eyes of his enemies.

President Bush has achieved this rare and exalted status.

His critics are so blinded by animus that the internal consistency of their attacks on him no longer matters.

For them, Bush is the double-bind president.

If he stumbles over his words, he is an embarrassing idiot. If he manages to cut taxes or wage a war against Saddam Hussein with bipartisan support, he is a manipulative genius.

If he hasn't been able to capture Osama bin Laden, he is endangering U.S. security. If he catches bin Laden, it is only a ploy to influence the elections.

If he ignores U.N. resolutions, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he takes U.N. resolutions on Iraq seriously, he is a dangerous unilateralist. If he doesn't get France to agree to his Iraq policy, he is ignoring important international actors. If he supports multiparty talks on North Korea, he is not doing enough to ignore important international actors.

If he bombed Iraq, he should have bombed Saudi Arabia instead, and if he had bombed Saudi Arabia, he should have bombed Iran, and if he had bombed all three, he shouldn't have bombed anyone at all. If he imposes a U.S. occupation on Iraq, he is fomenting Iraqi resistance by making the United States seem an imperial power. If he ends the U.S. occupation, he is cutting and running.

If he warns of a terror attack, he is playing alarmist politics. If he doesn't warn of a terror attack, he is dangerously asleep at the switch. If he says we're safer, he's lying, and if he doesn't say we're safer, he's implicitly admitting that he has failed in his core duty as commander in chief.

If he adopts a doctrine of pre-emption, he is unacceptably remaking American national-security policy. If the United States suffers a terror attack on his watch, he should have pre-empted it. If he signs a far-reaching anti-terror law, he is abridging civil liberties. If the United States suffers another terror attack on his watch, he should have had a more vigorous anti-terror law.

Bush's economy hasn't created new jobs. If it has created new jobs, they aren't well-paying jobs. If they are well-paying jobs, there is still income inequality in America.

If Bush opposes a prescription-drug benefit for the elderly, he's miserly. If he supports a prescription-drug benefit for the elderly, he's lining the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies. If he restrains government spending, he's heartless. If he supports government spending, he's bankrupting the nation and robbing from future generations.

If he opposes campaign-finance reform, he's a tool of corporate interests. If he signs campaign-finance reform, he's abridging the First Amendment rights of Michael Moore (whose ads for "Fahrenheit 9/11" might run afoul of the law).

If he accuses John Kerry of flip-flopping, he is merely highlighting one of the Massachusetts senator's strengths -- his nuance and thoughtfulness. If he flip-flops on nation-building or testifying before the 9/11 commission, he proves his own ill-intentions, cluelessness, or both.

If he doesn't admit a mistake, he is bullheaded and detached from reality. If he admits a mistake, he is damning his own governance in shocking fashion.

If he sticks with Dick Cheney, he is saddling himself with an unpopular vice president, giving Democrats who can't wait to run against Cheney a political advantage. If he drops Cheney, he is admitting that the Democratic attacks against his vice president have hit home, thus giving Democrats who have made those charges a political advantage.

If he loses in November, the voice of the American people has spoken a devastating verdict on his presidency. If he wins, he stole the election.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20040719.shtml


28 posted on 07/21/2004 7:49:30 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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Conservatives see something angelic in George Bush. That's why they excuse, repress, and rationalize away so much.
Dick Cheney gored my personal ox quite thoroughly when he was SecDef under Bush41. I still believe that that decision which damaged me personally, was as matter of technology imprudent. And military history has confirmed my opinion on the merits of his decision. I was afterwards quite confident that I would never vote for him for anything, ever.

By styling himself a "compassionate conservative," Bush43 insinuated that, in contrast to my own opinion as expressed in my screen name, there was some reason to doubt the compassion of a person if you learned that they were conservative.

I don't see Bush as "angelic" except in comparison with an administration which perpetrated two thousand felonies in the WH basement - and is noted for having been impeached for something else.

I don't see Bush as "angelic" - but at least if he were found morally wanting no one would suggest that he could not be impeached because his vice president would be a disater for the country.

I don't see Bush as "angelic" - but I don't see anyone in his administration who would have trouble getting a better-paying job outside of government. I don't, that is, see anyone who has to be grateful for his/her position and is unable to resign in protest if Bush were to do anything they did not wish to be associated with.

I don't see Bush as "angelic" - but at least he wasn't forced to hire someone of the other party as SecDef to have any chance of being taken seriously on military issues.

Ronald Reagan, of blessed memory, will be recognized as a historically great president because the problems which most bore on the fate of the Republic were history so quickly after he addressed them. And also because those problems - inflation, unemployment, the energy crisis, Soviet expansionism - seemed so intractable and debilitating until he took office. No predecessor of a great president ever looks good to history. Any president with a sense of decency would look good after the one George W. Bush succeeded.


31 posted on 07/21/2004 7:59:27 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Pseudo objective journalism is the noise and smoke brigade of the Democratic Party.)
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Oooh, I'm rolling over and cooing with warm fuzzies: "We were mentioned in the Village Voice! We were mentioned in the Village Voice! We've hit the Dick-Cheney Big Time...they know who we are!" Not.

This stuff ain't worth sticking down my pants.

34 posted on 07/21/2004 8:41:14 AM PDT by Physicist
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"...The right-wing website Free Republic is infamous for galvanizing harassment campaigns against ideological enemies..."


And the problem is.......??????

37 posted on 07/21/2004 9:05:35 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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Gee the author must be smart, witty, and oh so much better than other people...for instance he says: "They certainly love them some George Bush." ha ha, when I read that I can feel so damn superior... ha,ha.


38 posted on 07/21/2004 9:14:06 AM PDT by woofie ( I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.)
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"When we think of Bush's character, we're likely to focus on the administration's proposed budget cuts for veterans...

dead,

Please pass this to your leftist buddy and tell him his world view is based on myths.

The source is the following from the non-partisan Annenberg Center.

Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut

44 posted on 07/21/2004 10:47:18 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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This is great, I have to mark this for latter.

I am surprised at how well he remembers after the fact all the great counter points. He walks away, maybe looks something up and get to print the conversation with his little additions after the fact. But the person he "interviews" never has the chance to "add" to the conversation.

It is supposed to read like a debate, where the writer always wins (see how stupid these conservatives are!) but he never answer their questions and gets to add his "facts" from the comfort of the village.
53 posted on 07/21/2004 12:05:00 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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