Papers please...comrade...
"the citizenry should increase the amount of personal sovereignty it gives to the government in exchange for personal safety. "
GAG !! With oxymoronic friends who think like that we will never survive our enemys.
LOL, this must be a joke post.
Welcome to FR, BTW...
Sieg Heil!
"Those that trade liberty for preceived security deserve neither liberty, nor security" - Ben Franklin.
· A National Identification Card ·
Ja, you will be showing me your papers please.
A Domestic Intelligence Service·
Possibly, but I'm not convinced of the need.
Greater video surveillance at major cities and airports · Greater monitoring of international communication done by online methods like e-mail.
Ok, works for me. I see no harm. · The monitoring of all news services, news websites, and movies for messages and biases that encourage sympathy with terrorists or terrorist sympathizers.
Ah, you vant ze Gestapo to root out those nasty ideas, no? Sorry pal, but biases are your right as an American citizen. I'm willing to root out those who are working for foriegn powers who mean us harm, but you're free to sympathise with anyone.
We live in a Hobbesian state of nature, and now, in this time of great threat, is when the citizenry should increase the amount of personal sovereignty it gives to the government in exchange for personal safety.
Yes, let's sacrifice the American way of life to preserve the American way of life. It's absolutely frightening that such logic even makes sense to you. Absolutely not, not in this lifetime or the next.
Without personal security, as Hobbes noted, there is no room for Arts or Literature, Industry or Commerce. Without security that can only be granted by the types of measures listed above, the life of Americans will be nasty, brutish and short.
Yeah, and your Soviet sense of order is no damned better.
I have never voted non-Republican since 1968 but I am this year due to the un-Patriotic Act and the Campaign Finance law.
NO to a National ID card, and I'M not a Libertarian.
We see the effeminate, cowardly vestiges of hippie softmindedness exported by academic, socialist, draft dodging brainwashers to Canada long ago: the usual anal "satire" of chickens.
Quite a few years ago, I renounced my lilting baby-boomer-hood past (as yes, I am of that virtually worthless generation), went to Ft. Leonard Wood, and became a man. Yes, a haircut is a wonderful thing.
It's good to see the Californian Ideology dying a noisy death, and may we soon have conservative, God fearing leaders in both countries for 1000 years.
And no, you don't have permission to reply to this comment.
Why did the title get Zotted?
NO way. we need more freedom not less.
I'm for most of the Patriot Act, probably all of it, but I'd spend every waking second and dime I had to keep a National ID card from becoming required.
Awwwwwwwwwwww, no ZOT pictures. :-(
Yeah, That's the problem with America, too much emphasis on libertarian values, not enough fascism. Yeah, that must be the problem.
"The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." – Thomas Jefferson
"I believe that every individual is naturally entitled to do as he pleases with himself and the fruits of his labor, so far as it in no way interferes with any other men's rights." – Abraham Lincoln
"I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive." – Thomas Jefferson
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." – William Pitt (1783)
"It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." – Charles A. Beard
"..nasty, brutish, and short."
Sounds much like some posters' careers on FR.
The biggest threat to "Civil Liberties" at this point isn't from our government. It comes from those that half understand the term "Civil Liberties".
There is no violation of any American Citizen's "Civil Liberties" contained in the Patriot Act, nor has a single example of a violation of Civil Liberties been shown via the PA.
There is always, and should be, an ongoing concern in this regard. I fully support "questioning" any government action.
But the "hysterical few" have ranted and rave about the PA since it passed......and that bodes ill for the future, when or if a law that DOES VIOLATE CIVIL LIBERTIES is ever brought forth.
I think thats my greatest concern on this topic. The "chicken little's" have poisoned the well to a certain extent.
I'm seriously considering walking across the hall and changing my affiliation from Republican to Constitution Party. The slate of liberals who'll speak at the Republic Convention is disgusting.
From the web site: "The Constitution Party is the only party which is completely pro-life, anti-homosexual rights, pro-American sovereignty, anti-globalist, anti-free trade, anti-deindustrialization, anti-unchecked immigration, pro-second amendment, and against the constantly increasing expansion of unlawful police laws, in favor of a strong national defense and opposed to unconstitutional interventionism."