Posted on 07/18/2004 6:48:22 PM PDT by joedownthestreet
By Malcolm Ritter AP Science Writer Wednesday, May 9, 2001; 1:39 a.m. EDT
NEW ORLEANS –– An explosive new study says some gay people can turn straight if they really want to.
That conclusion clashes with that of major mental health organizations, which say that sexual orientation is fixed and that so-called reparative therapy may actually be harmful.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Indeed, and a difficult behavior to change, but definitely possible.
stop the behavior and meanwhile work on redeeming the mind and heart....
That's exactly what needs to happen, and that's where reparative therapy can come in and help.
American Psychiatric Association: http://www.psych.org/public–info/dpa–fact.cfm
American Psychological Association: http://helping.apa.org/daily/answers.html
National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality: http://www.narth.com
Major mental health groups say nobody knows what causes a person's sexual orientation. Theories tracing homosexuality to troubled family dynamics or faulty psychological development have been discredited, the psychiatric association says. The American Psychological Association says most scientists think sexual orientation probably comes from a complex interaction including biological and environmental factors.
Spitzer spearheaded the APA's 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. At the time, he said homosexuality does not meet the criteria for a mental disorder, and he called for more research to determine whether some people can change their sexuality.
Spitzer, who said he does not offer reparative therapy and began his study as a skeptic, said the research was paid for out of his department's funds.
He conducted 45-minute telephone interviews with 200 people, 143 of them men, who claimed they had changed their orientation from gay to heterosexual. The average age of those interviewed was 43.
Another sacred Cow is the life span of homosexuals. Mention that they live to the average age of 48, and they fall all over themselves trying to shut you up.
I have known quite a few church members that once were gay, you do not need a study to discover that. Healing is free in Gods house, slow sometimes but free nontheless.
Because the traditional family is in the way of the State as Daddy. Mao is a great example.
It is obvious that you would seek to prove the negative, to wit, homosexuals cannot be cured. Nice try at twisting the sense of the article inside out.
The fact of some homosexuals voluntarily successfully changing their orientation has been beyond dispute for years and in no way depends on the work of Spitzer for validation. He has however added to the documented state and weight of the evidence as gathered by others.
It of course cannot be said that "every" homosexual has it in him to do this, any more than "every" alcoholic can find a strong sobriety. Many wish to, but fail; many don't even try.
You said:
"I don't think the left wants to destroy the family, it only has another view on it than yours."
Yes, and the difference in viewpoints is that the traditional, moral-absolutist, natural, common sense, and historical view of family is the right one, and the leftist (socialist, communist), homosexual, feminist one is destructive and wrong.
You won't last long here, I foresee. Unless you really want to learn what conservatism is. If you registered here merely to argue, you won't find your stay here very productive.
You sound young to me. I'm in my fifties, and when I was a teenager through early 20's, I was as leftist/socialist/hedonist/atheist/libertinist as anyone could imagine. But I changed my viewpoint, when I realized I was wrong about some things. Then my facade of thinking I knew everything started cracking.
If you can admit that you don't know everything, that's the first step in learning.
Please expand on this. I truly don't understand why there is an attack on traditional marriage and the traditional family.
There's a whole lot of reading you can do here. You have one big huge plus on your side, and that is you're a Christian and can bend the ear of God in regards to your brother. If I remember correctly you said your brother has no intention of changing his lifestyle, and to help him leave the lifestyle he'll have to either want to change, see something in you he desires or God gets his attention.
I'm starting to remember your situation a little more now, and I believe you said your brother was a professing Christian and aware of what the Bible says in regards to homosexuality. If true that's another big plus for you... and him.
If you take a look at 1 Cor 6:9-11 you'll see that some of the Corinthian believers engaged in homosexuality, but Paul said "that's what some of you were. They were homosexuals (and other types of sinners), but they were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and they were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and they were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God, as stated in the amplified Bible.
I would imagine you pray for your brother, and I encourage you to continue doing so. Freepmail me his name and I'll put him on my prayer list and we can stay in touch as we continually lift your brother up in prayer.
You don't get more left than the infamous Martha Burke.
She is the feminist who wanted to force a private golf club to accept women and failed to get it kicked off CBS.
She advocates abolishing marriage and having reproduction controlled by female only fertility panels. It would regulate male fertility and thus abrogate marraige.
Her works have been posted here on FR in the past.
She is just the tip of the iceberg in feminist studies programs at all universities.
Hitler had birthing villages as part of the states effort to produce perfect aryans.
the USSR was militant in making children obedient to the state. Soviet propaganda made a child who turned in his farmer parents to authorities for withholding some of their crop. The village killed him after the parents were arrested.
The writings of all leftists/communists/socialists are repleate with the fact that they need to eliminate the family unit in order to make loyalty to the state complete.
Every child born in a mother and father family is a defeat for the left.
I just added Thoughts of God to my freeper profile that you may find of interest.
Thanks, Scripter. I appreciate the encouragement to pray and your willingness to pray for him, too. Actually, no, he doesn't profess to be a Christian, although he did when he was a kid. The last time he professed to being anything, it was agnostic. But much time has passed since then, and from comments he and his partner have made, I would guess them both to be atheist now. How predictable is THAT?! (fingers crossed with gritted teeth: "there IS no god, there IS no god, there IS no god." or "I am NOT accountable, I am NOT accountable, I am NOT accountable.") He and his partner have been committed to each other for over 20 years. I will indeed write you with his name.
People without morals can not discern morality anymore than a blind man can discribe color. To be a Christian in todays world is to be like someone trying to convince a color blind world that the sky is blue. To the world we are just wackos, but to us, color is the breath of life.
I think I have a lot to learn on this question of why the left wants to weaken/eliminate the traditional family. I think I understand what you are saying (which is basically that the family exists not only for the physical training and care of children, but as a sort of spiritual role model for the children, and for society in general--- am I wrong?), but it almost seems like a sort of conspiracy theory! The traditional family these days doesn't seem to be doing its job very well; liberals and socialists don't need to exert much effort to make it any weaker. Maybe I just need to chew on it a while and it'll make sense.
I do not understand how can a stance for a preference can become a race or something as inflexible as changing a car color?
It's evident, these people want to be subsidized and justified with the perfect racial like alibi in order to validate their behaviors.
What kind of gay pride is that which seeks alibis and validation through the ever mystical monolithic non-changing gay? This is not pride, this is cowardice and envy and penis vagina envy, PCed through vagina and penis hugging rhetoric of degenerate adult idiots.
What is scary are the other themes of Nazism and pure gay race that come out of this being subsidized....
And I will even go further to prove that this subsidizin rhetoric for gay behavior is in fact one subsidizing pedophilia directly.
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