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Very interesting article looking at the differences between the two role model figures.
1 posted on 07/16/2004 11:24:30 AM PDT by StevenAU
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"God sent his only son to die for you."

"Muhammed sends his sons to kill you."


2 posted on 07/16/2004 11:31:06 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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The difference?

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, come to die to provide for our redemption, rose from the dead on the third day.

Muhammed is a violent pedophile.

4 posted on 07/16/2004 11:34:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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Bottom line: Jesus is God and Muhammad is not!


5 posted on 07/16/2004 11:38:23 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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In Jesus, we find the central role model put forth by Christianity. He was, by all standards, a pacifist.

Flat wrong. First, it was Jesus who suggested disciples take swords with them on their travels:

35Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. 36He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." - Luke 22:35-36

Also, Paul made it clear that there was nothing contradictory in a Christian being a soldier, and used warfare and soldiering as metaphors for the Christian life.

Yes, Jesus calls for peace and forebearance. No He is not, "by all standards," a pacifist.

8 posted on 07/16/2004 11:41:29 AM PDT by kezekiel
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Christ promises the faithful that we will have eternal life with Him in Heaven.

Muhammed promises a whorehouse with an open bar. In other words Muslims must die as martyrs (in other words die killing non-Muslims) to enjoy the decadent life they kill others for enjoying on earth.

11 posted on 07/16/2004 11:49:08 AM PDT by wagglebee
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Well it is after all your article so I guess you would think it interesting. BUT as usual for folks who try and paint the Nazarene as a pacifist it is dead wrong. There is nothing within the faith that requires one to be a pacifist. In fact Jesus himself destinguishes what belongs to God and what belongs to Ceasar. He does not comndemn the soldier for doing his job and He was not gentle with the money changers at the temple. This is just so much silliness. The reason that Christianity succeeds in a less violent wayt is because it demands personal accountability and a personal relationship with one's Creator....


12 posted on 07/16/2004 11:51:30 AM PDT by jnarcus
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Very well done!


14 posted on 07/16/2004 12:02:30 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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Jesus is the Son of God, Muhammad is a Son of a B--ch....


17 posted on 07/16/2004 12:13:01 PM PDT by Red Badger (Wake me up when my 15 minutes of fame starts, so I can call my wife and let her know......)
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"A long trench and ditch was dug and as Muhammad watched on, all 700-900 men were decapitated."

This sounds similar to the Nazis of WW2 lining up Jews (and others) along trenches and machine-gunning them to death.


19 posted on 07/16/2004 12:14:53 PM PDT by nosofar ("I'm not above the Law. I am the Law!" - Judge Dredd)
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Srdja Trifkovic wrote in an 1999 issue of Chronicles magazine that Muhammed was part John Gotti, part Charles Manson; in other words, a murderous psychopath. Think about the implications of holding Muhammed to be the model for humanity, which Muslims do -- the ideal Muslim must be a murderous psychopath. Early in his career, Muhammed spoke gently and tolerantly, but as time went on and he grew in power, he became more violent and intolerant in his speech and deeds. Muslims hold that his later statements abrogate his earlier -- Allah, allegedly speaking though Muhammed, changed his mind.

To be fair, Christian rulers of the 7th century were by and large a ruthless bunch, but no one holds Justinian and Theodora or any of their royal Christian contemporaries as models for humanity for all time.

20 posted on 07/16/2004 12:25:46 PM PDT by Siamese Princess
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i feel so cheated, people keep telling me islam is the religion of peace. i hate when im lied to.


21 posted on 07/16/2004 12:36:49 PM PDT by wing84th
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A little misleading. Firstly, I wouldn't exactly call Jesus a pacifist. Anyone who could, singlehandedly, drive out the moneychangers from the temple was no pacifist. Secondly, his advice and teachings were geared toward the individual, not groups. Thirdly, I wouldn't exactly call adultery a minor sin.


24 posted on 07/16/2004 12:55:16 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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Mother Theresa was very much like Jesus. On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden is very much like Muhammad! 'Nuff said.


32 posted on 07/16/2004 1:18:27 PM PDT by Nataku X (You hear all the time, "Be more like Jesus." But have you ever heard, "Be more like Muhammed"?)
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This is so odd that I saw this article today, I have been thinking deeply on this the past couple days;

Something no one is pointing out is the similarities between Muhammad and David Koresh and L. Ron Hubbard-rather than him and Moses and Jesue. The major difference is that Muhammad was successful in sustaining his flock. Both Muhammad and Koresh used their "deity" to have all the women they could want, including the underaged. All 3 were able to use their "religion" for immense personal wealth and power within their community.

Many would shudder to make this comparison publicly I have thought, like Muhammed personally, forget the crusades where Christian followers, but Muhammed himself used the sword to convert people-and L.Ron using deceitful economic pracities and dishonest marketing to convert-all to follow themselves to their direct benefit.

Jesus was humiliated, left this earth with a tunic and sandles, a handful of followers, and nothing else. The other 3 left with alot more money, women, prestige, and power. History has dismissed L.Ron Hubbard and David Koresh as the selfish, powerhungry frauds they were, I hope for the Arabs that one day they are smart enough to do the same to Muhammed.

38 posted on 07/16/2004 4:17:13 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Recall David Dreier)
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Little is to be gained by comparisons. Each life, and that includes our own, should stand upon our behaviour and actions. If there is to be a final judgement, it will not be based on with whom we compare; but if we did our best on earth and never hurt a weaker person deliberately.

Might the good Lord not also take into account our motivations?

Jesus the man, was a Jew, a Rabbi, a learned holy man. He wanted us to love each other. He understood the terrible power of hatred. The history of his people was one of endless suppression and slavery.

Mohammad was a psychopath. He had numerous schiziod episodes, ancient arabic sources describe treatment for epileptic seizures in his youth. Mohammad was abandoned by his mother, became an orphan, lived on the steps of a temple with beggars. He was an anarchist. The people of Medina threw them out.

Mohammad learned from the 'people of the book' - the Jews and Christians, and incorporated their scripture (which he learned orally,) into arabic lore and the Code of Hammurabi; An Eye for an Eye etc...some of which the Hebrews included in the Original Testament.

The koran is nothing but a mish-mash of every ancient ME belief system. Mohammad chose what worked for him. Subjugation to allah is worship of Al-Uzza, Venus the Queen of Heaven. Meteorites were believed by the desert arabs to be rocks thrown by a god who lived on the moon at unbelievers; therefor, if you do not subjugate yourself to allah you will be hit on the head with a burning rock. Evidence shows that three millenia ago, arab nomads carried aeriolites on their travels and considered them sacred.

Mohammad told his followers that every rock that fell from heaven and killed someone, had their name written on it by allah. That's arab fatalism.

There is nothing to be gained or understood by comparing Jesus to Mohammad unless one understands the history of the arabs and the life of the man they call a 'prophet' - who was, IMO probably the most evil, cunning and demented creature our species has as yet produced on earth.

Two Books to read; Ages in Chaos, by Immanuel Velikovsky.
For the most comprehensive history of the ancient ME.

The Life of Muhammad, by Edward Canon Sell. A biography of the man whose terrible legacy the entire world now faces. (see tagline.)



43 posted on 07/16/2004 4:26:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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If I didn't know better, I would say that Osama Bin ladin is seeking to out do Mohammed by using Jesus as a model to bring about a revolution that will result in a fundamentalist take over.

His pictures strolling through the forrested hills are reminiscant of the many paintings of Jesus. Jesus appealed to the masses and asked them to follow and they did.Among his followers were the Jewish Saccari zealots who are only dimmly outlined but were warriors and fighters against the established order. Jesus made his statement by overthrowing the established order on the Temple grounds. The only teachings of Osama we hear are the messages of war but I am certain that his other teachings in Arabic are of a religious nature.

If he wins, he will achieve the historical stature of Mohammed and of Jesus.


47 posted on 07/16/2004 4:39:04 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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One is the Son of God

The other is worse than pig crap.

51 posted on 07/16/2004 5:17:47 PM PDT by Militiaman7 (If the opposite of Pro is Con, then is Progress the opposite of Congress?)
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Islam is:
1% religion,
99% social control.


59 posted on 07/16/2004 8:41:07 PM PDT by greasepaint
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A Core Difference Between Islam and Christianity's Central Figures



The big. the main, the real difference:
One is dead and buried the Other is alive and well
seated at the right hand of the Father.

and No I didn't bother to read the stupid article


61 posted on 07/16/2004 9:34:28 PM PDT by WKB (3!~ Does a clean house indicate that Free Republic is down")
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Not meaning to shoot the messenger...but please PLEASE tell me you don't buy this...PLEASE?

There IS no comparison between THE living God and a dead person. Especially a dead person who espoused himself to be god.


64 posted on 07/17/2004 12:03:46 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Michael Reagan was the CHOSEN son!!!!)
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