8 years later, TWA 800 case just heating up!

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, July 16, 2004 | Jack Cashill

[Rokke]

Typing in caps and repeating silly questions does not cover up the fact that your last post was essentially a lie. Furthermore, aviation history is absolutely full of accidents caused by unique events. Using your logic, the cause of the Alaskan Air MD-80 crash off the coast of California couldn't have been caused by the jackscrew in the rudder, because despite decades of flying by hundreds of similar aircraft in airlines around the world, such an incident had never happened before, and hasn't happened since. But to answer your question, there have been two 737's that exploded due to overheating in their centerline fuel tanks. The last was in 2001. In addition, the Air Force had already identified overheating in the centerline tanks of its 747's as a problem years before TWA 800 exploded. And exploding fuel vapor in fuel tanks has been blamed in 9 incidents since 1958, nullifying the often posted theory that jet fuel vapor isn't explosive.

[Vigilantcitizen]

Your time line is all off. The Olympic Park Bombing happened in 1996, BEFORE the other bombings in 1997 (clinic and night club) and 1998 (Birmingham).

Duuuoh! You're right. My bad.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Actually, exactly none of them said that.

The center title of the ad says:

"We Saw TWA Flight 800 Shot Down by Missiles And We Won't Be Silenced Any Longer"

The quoted excerpts are just that - excerpts. All the people quoted in the ad gave their permission to be quoted, and they knew what the ad was going to say.

How is that "exactly none?"

I NOTICE YOU STILL HAVEN'T COME UP WITH AN EXAMPLE OF A SINGLE OTHER SPONTANEOUSLY EXPLODING JET FUEL TANK IN THE HISTORY OF AVIATION.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Using your logic, the cause of the Alaskan Air MD-80 crash off the coast of California couldn't have been caused by the jackscrew in the rudder, because despite decades of flying by hundreds of similar aircraft in airlines around the world, such an incident had never happened before, and hasn't happened since.

Jet fuel is not flammable under the pressures and temperatures in jet fuel tank.

And as long as you saw fit to call me a liar, I will call you a liar for saying that jet fuel is flammable except under extreme pressure and temperature.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Show me the links to your evidence. Surely you have some.

[InterceptPoint]

On Monday, Aug. 2, Lahr and his attorney, John Clarke of Washington, will square off against the NTSB and the CIA at the U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

Anybody going? Is there any easy way to confirm that this is really on the court schedule.

[demkicker]

What does happen circa July 17 or 18 every year is that the Earth travels through the ancient debris trail of a comet. Rocks fall in seeming to travel from East to West. The first rocks have a very flat trajectory and actually appear to streak UP from the horizon.

I'm still putting my money on a boloid that also hit flight 800.

TIN FOIL HAT ALERT!!!

[Rokke]

Like your post, the headline of the ad is an unsupported lie. It is almost funny that the authors of the ad couldn't even find quotes to support their own misleading headline. The simple fact is, not a single person in the ad says they saw a "missile" hit TWA 800 or any other aircraft.

[muawiyah]

Looks like we have another one who still has problems with the concepts of rocks falling out of the sky.

Hey, astronomy already happened so we don't have to invent it again!

[demkicker]

When Kahlstrom first faced the media, he mentioned that terrorism was possible. Later, when he did the center fuel tank commedy routine, his expression said that he did not believe a word of it.

I remember the same thing. I really liked Kahlstrom and thought he was credible until he put on the dog and pony show.

This is my theory. They all knew what did it - a terrorist missile or maybe a bomb. They thought it would wreck tourism and air travel to admit the truth. I think the same scenario was true when the jet crashed in NY after 9/11. Soon after the mad shoe bomber was caught trying, and we have been scanning shoes ever since.

You and I think alike. I have the very same beliefs and as evil as Clinton is, I really think Flt 800 was covered up because he and the airline industry knew it would cripple the industry and severly damage our economy to throw everyone in a panic. And I think the same thing happened with the jet that crashed in NY after 9/11 too.

Whatever happened to the cover-up being worse than the lie?

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Like your post, the headline of the ad is an unsupported lie. It is almost funny that the authors of the ad couldn't even find quotes to support their own misleading headline. The simple fact is, not a single person in the ad says they saw a "missile" hit TWA 800 or any other aircraft.

I notice you supplied no links.

[Rokke]

"And as long as you saw fit to call me a liar, I will call you a liar for saying that jet fuel is flammable except under extreme pressure and temperature."

Then you ought to apologize, because first, I never said anything about jet fuel. I said jet fuel vapor. Big difference. And here is what Boeing says about it...

"The flammability of the center tank ullage is a function of the temperature of the center tank fuel puddle (a thin layer on the bottom of the nearly empty tank) as well as other factors (e.g., fuel composition). Our analysis of the JFK fuel temperature data (spikes that approach actual fuel temperature), together with data from the Marana test (see below), lead us to conclude that the fuel temperature of the puddle of fuel at the time of the TWA 800 event was approximately 130°F to 140°F. Based on this temperature estimate and the jet fuel test data, we conclude the CWT was well within the envelope to be considered flammable. "

And here is the link to a source listing fuel tank explosions...Fuel Tank Explosions

[JayNorth]

The Navy doesn't conduct live fire exercises anywhere near that area for the simple reason that it is the most heavily travelled air corridor in the world, and the chance of accident would be unacceptably high.

I read all the conspiracy theories with an open mind, and their point is that night they were testing the AEGIS system (I think that is what it was called) specifically as some final test to show that it was sophisticated enough to operate in a very busy warfare situation.

I don't want to believe anyone would be that cold, but then again they did test chemical agents on ordinary citizens in the subway system so who knows.

[JayNorth]

Dubya's biggest mistakes were keeping Clarke & Tenent.

...and Mineta!

[demkicker]

My question has always been, WHY did they cover this up? Or OKC? I guess I'm just not a politically-savvy observer. What did the government stand to lose by revealing the truth about TWA800, etc?

Read my post #170. Clinton's policy toward terrorism was to ignore it. If he acknowleged it, that meant he'd have to DO something about it. Even after we were attacked the first time in our own country, the man never once even visited the World Trade Center. He ignored terrorist attacks on US embassies and military property all over the world, using the "out of sight, out of mind approach" As long as he kept his poll finger in the air and the economy was perking along, he didn't want to be bothered with anything else but mugging for the camera everyday and thinking about his other head.

(I joined FR too late to get in on the meatiest discussions....)

You should never think that way. FR is a great place to discuss anything and everything.

[JayNorth]

We've had the Achille Lauro, the Munich Olympics, the pipe bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta, the TWA 800, the bombing of embassies, and it's not going to disappear overnight.

Didn't George Stephanopoulos slip and say something similar, grouping TWA 800 with some other events we know for sure were terrorism?

[demkicker]

Looks like we have another one who still has problems with the concepts of rocks falling out of the sky.

I know rocks fall out of the sky, but there should at least be some evidence if that was the cause of Flt 800's demise. There isn't, and the "official" reason stinks. Witnesses speak of an object going UP and hitting the plane, not falling DOWN onto the plane.

[7.62 x 51mm]

I agree with you both. I've thought that since that whole cockamamie spark-in-the-CWT theory was pushed as the cause. There's a lot of good reading at TWA 800's site.

[demkicker]

Thanks for the link.

[jeremiah]

How would you know if anyone took credit for it, if the release of videos or transcripts of those taking the credit would be handled by the govt, and in Arabic most likely?