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MPs say scrap knighthoods
Reuters | July 13, 2004

Posted on 07/13/2004 11:32:55 AM PDT by HAL9000

LONDON (Reuters) - The "arcane" system of honouring citizens with knighthoods should be scrapped, a parliamentary committee says.

Racial diversity should be better reflected in the awards and the inflammatory word "Empire" should be dropped from honours such as Order of the British Empire (OBE), the Public Administration Committee said in a report published on Tuesday.

"The current system is terribly secretive ... It's over-complicated and it's certainly out of date," Labour committee member Anne Campbell, told BBC radio.

"We need a system that really accords more with the modern day," she added.

Obscure honours such as "Orders of the Bath" should be scrapped, and the OBE should become the Order of British Excellence, said the report.

"Consideration should be given to ... a decrease in awards of knighthoods and damehoods, with the objective of phasing out the awards of knighthoods within five years," it added.

Last month, former England midfielder Trevor Brooking received a knighthood, while Ukrainian-born Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal received an honorary knighthood.

A second report into transparency within the system is due later this week, and the government has two months to decide its response.

Campbell said gestures like Prime Minister Tony Blair awarding honours to the entire England rugby team after they won last year's World Cup had been unhelpful.

"That sort of thing we don't think does the honours very many favours," she said.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: empire; imperialism; knighthood; obe; obk
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Abolish it before we hear those dreaded words - "I dub thee Sir Bill Clinton".
1 posted on 07/13/2004 11:32:58 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Another Marxist multiculturist Brit wanting to throw away centuries of British history and tradition. Its a crying shame that there are such people in Parliament.


2 posted on 07/13/2004 11:38:37 AM PDT by mkj6080
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To: HAL9000

Sir Elton John......Sir Paul McCartney.........


Those two alone are enough reason to get rid of this idiocy.


3 posted on 07/13/2004 11:39:16 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: HAL9000; MadIvan

PING.

What's up with this?


4 posted on 07/13/2004 11:39:24 AM PDT by jbstrick (War is not fought for peace. War is fought for victory.)
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To: MadIvan

Ping


5 posted on 07/13/2004 11:39:27 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: HAL9000

Considering the depths to which England has fallen, why not call them "Comrade?"


6 posted on 07/13/2004 11:39:29 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: HAL9000

Actually, if I remember correctly only subjects of the Crown actually get dubbed. Non-Crown subjects get an honorary knighthood. So you are not going to hear those words.


7 posted on 07/13/2004 11:40:34 AM PDT by RonF
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To: HAL9000
Americans are not supposed to accept knighthood (since it is allegiance to another country).
8 posted on 07/13/2004 11:40:45 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: mkj6080

And I was holding out for a knighthood one of these days...


9 posted on 07/13/2004 11:41:30 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Considering the depths to which England has fallen, why not call them "Comrade?"

Excuse me? It seems to me that we haven't fallen far enough to not be a reliable ally and for our lads to not fight and die alongside yours.

Think twice before spouting off - the only cracks in the Anglo-American alliance appear when idiots on this side of the Pond spout off against America, and when people on your side spout off against us.

Ivan

10 posted on 07/13/2004 11:41:45 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can change the world.)
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To: HAL9000; AmishDude
I predict with some confidence this won't happen. There are too many media personalities who want a knighthood or OBE.

Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 07/13/2004 11:42:43 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can change the world.)
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To: EggsAckley
Granted it has become a parody of itself. They really ought to look at what made England great instead of trying to look modern. You want modern, even avant-garde go to France.
12 posted on 07/13/2004 11:44:49 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: EggsAckley
Granted it has become a parody of itself. They really ought to look at what made England great instead of trying to look modern. You want modern, even avant-garde go to France.
13 posted on 07/13/2004 11:44:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

Agreed.


14 posted on 07/13/2004 11:47:03 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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Cursed firing mechanism is jammed again


15 posted on 07/13/2004 11:47:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: HAL9000

The "Knights who say Neet!" are sad today, I'm sure.....


16 posted on 07/13/2004 11:47:55 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: HAL9000

Well, whatever. They abolished everything else about Britain.

Sir Edward Grey was only half right. The lights never came back on.


17 posted on 07/13/2004 11:50:36 AM PDT by SedVictaCatoni
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To: StoneColdGOP

If you check back far enough in genealogy, you'll
probably find a knight in your family tree if any of
your ancestors came from England. My great grandfather
going back nine times over was Sir Richard Denton, but
I figure going back that far I have literally hundreds
of 9th great grandfathers & Sir Richard probably has
thousands of ninth great grandchildren. So, the inheritance
will be very small. Of course, that was back in the days
of fighting knights and the round table and all that jazz.


18 posted on 07/13/2004 11:51:22 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Twinkie

Alas, no such luck.

My ancestors came to the New World via Iberia and Siberia.


19 posted on 07/13/2004 11:53:57 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: MadIvan

I'm afraid that too many of the Englishmen and mad dogs have spent too much time in the noon day sun that is about to set on what's left of Her Majesty's Empire...


20 posted on 07/13/2004 12:10:04 PM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy....The Marines make the world safe for the Army...)
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