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GOA Members Shoot Down Latest Effort to Extend Semi-auto Ban
Gun Owners of America ^ | July 12, 2004 | NA

Posted on 07/13/2004 7:52:14 AM PDT by neverdem

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Jul 2004

GOA Members Shoot Down Latest Effort to Extend Semi-auto Ban

Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
Springfield, VA 22151
(703)321-8585

Monday, July 12, 2004

Congratulations!

Through your efforts, you have succeeded in killing the best opportunity that anti-gunners had to extend the ban on roughly two hundred semiautomatic firearms.

Liberals had intended to offer the semi-auto ban as a "killer amendment" to class action reform legislation which was considered by the Senate last week. At first, there was every indication that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist was going to allow anti-gunners like Sen. Feinstein to offer the gun ban amendment.

But after you bombarded Frist's office with demands that he prevent the semi-auto amendment, Frist -- in a parliamentary move that we suggested -- took steps to procedurally block all "killer amendments," including the semi-auto ban.

Liberal anti-gunners whined and screamed on the Senate floor, and threatened to kill the class action bill in retaliation. But we appear to have won the battle for now, as the class action bill has been pulled from the floor.

This victory is huge. Compared to the ill-fated strategy used on the gun makers' protection act (S. 1805) earlier in the year, the outcome on the class action bill was as good as could be expected in the poisoned environment on the Hill. Consider the following:

* The best chance for reenacting the semi-auto ban prior to its September 13 expiration is now dead;
* Unlike the gun liability bill -- defeated 8-to-90 in March after it was loaded down with "killer amendments" -- pro-business Senators can still bring the class action bill back up at some later point during this session;
* Unlike with the gun liability bill, the class action bill did not offer anti-gun Democrats a week of Senate floor time to promote their agenda; and
* Those anti-gunners who cynically pretended to support the class action bill were forced to make a choice between politically powerful constituencies -- between the pro-business community and the trial lawyers.

ACTION: Write Senator Frist. Congratulate him on his use of the rules in connection with the class action bill, and thank him for preventing consideration of the semiautomatic ban.

You can call Senator Frist at 202-224-3344, or go to http://www.frist.senate.gov and select "Contact Senator Frist" under the "About Senator Frist" heading to send a message similar to the one below.

----- Pre-written message -----

Dear Senator Frist:

Congratulations!

Your use of the Senate rules in connection with the class action bill blocked the prime opportunity of anti-gun liberals to force consideration of the semi-automatic ban.

You also saved the class action bill from the same 8-to-90 defeat experienced by the gun liability bill, and kept it alive to fight another day.

Finally, you prevented the Senate floor from being used as a campaign platform for issues designed to defeat you and your party.

In the politically poisoned environment on the Hill, this is as good as was possible under the circumstances.

Sincerely,

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GOA Website News

If you haven't visited the GOA website recently, perhaps you should spend some time at http://www.gunowners.org today.

One reason is that the prices of three influential videos dealing with the Waco tragedy have been slashed to an average of half their original costs. At $9.95 each, no freedom video library would be complete without copies of Waco: The Rules Of Engagement; Waco: A New Revelation, and, The F.L.I.R. Project.

Also, you may not be aware the GOA has added streaming video to our website this year. Numerous television interviews of GOA spokesmen are available free of charge. Of course, additional streamed interviews will be added in the future.

Finally, a very common question received over and over again at GOA deals with how to convince fence-sitting friends and relatives that we are right and the gungrabbers are wrong. Answers can be found in the highly detailed Just For Skeptics section.


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To: Joe Brower

This is a battle that will have to be fought MANY times over the next several decades. The anti-gunners won't give up until either we are disarmed or they are dead.


41 posted on 07/13/2004 10:37:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the link!


42 posted on 07/13/2004 10:38:28 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Badeye

You can get them now... for $150 each. But I feel your pain. Bushmaster makes an AR-10 clone that takes inexpensive FAL mags.


43 posted on 07/13/2004 10:38:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Joe Brower; Teacher317
"Port Arthur redux?"

I found this (http://www.rense.com/general30/gfun.htm) about Port Arthur on the net:

Dr. Behind Port Arthur Gun
Control Now In Maryland

By Stewart Beattie
Author of A Gunsmith's Notebook on Port Arthur, 2002
© S. Beattie Oct. 2002
10-18-2

Recent news reports from out of America's East Coast of a "sniper" shooting unarmed people in Maryland and Virginia caused me to take a second look at part of an article I'd written earlier in 2000, about a "star" of the gun control network, Doctor Rebecca Peters, who coincidentally went to Baltimore as soon as her task "down under" was done.

In Australia the "gun control" compact deployed as a network of NGOs, but also they were strategically grafted into our Administration in the Attorney General and Justice Departments. Duncan Kerr (Labour) was the Minister responsible for the Department of Justice who over saw the appointment of one Daryl Smeaton, charged with the drafting of new gun laws, for the States and Territories to enact - as early as November 1995.

The National Coalition for Gun Control (NCGC) was based in Sydney, but had an important branch in Hobart, Tasmania, headed up there by lawyer Roland Browne, while in Melbourne a "sister" organisation, the Coalition for Gun Control (CGC) was run by John Bruce Crook. Prior to 1996, Crook was involved in a defamation action in Melbourne, and in that trial it was reported that none other than Daryl Smeaton presented the Court with a supportive character reference for Crook. 1

But it was in Sydney where Rebecca Peters rose to prominence, arriving in 1981, 'with a man she met travelling,' and apparently lived in Cairo prior to her arrival. While Peters says "she decided" to settle Down Under and become an "Australian citizen," I'm caused to remember those famous words, 'In politics nothing happens by chance. If it happens, it was meant to happen that way'. Apparently Rebecca was from a young age, bent on saving the world.

Born in 1962, Peters grew up as a teenager in Costa Rica, the second of six children in an American family. As her father worked for the American Government there, 'half jokingly,' she suggested in an interview in Australia he "probably worked for the CIA." At age 15 years while attending an "alternative school" in Costa Rica, Peters was educated by itinerant "young hippies". It was during this new-age education she became "obsessed with changing the world."

In Sydney, Peters enrolled in a university in the faculty of Engineering (possibly Macquarie), being just one of only two females in the course, but in 1983 she dropped out. For a time Rebecca took a job as a researcher and reporter with ABC Radio (known locally as the "Gay-BC"), worked with Andrew Olle, but soon found the nature of journalism, 'too disposable'.

In 1991 with a not-so-subtle agenda, Peters returned to university, enrolled as a law student gaining her law degree, at the end of which, she produced a thesis on 'tighter gun control'. This was the "centrepiece" of an enormous folio of material she collected and wrote for her campaign to remove loop-holes in existing gun laws in Australia. She promoted herself as a 'multilingual middle-class lawyer' who was fanatical about "gun control". 2

By `91 Peters was running the NCGC, rising fast to the position of "chair", almost as quickly as the death rate climbed with each incident of that new phenomenon to Australasia, the gun massacre. Undoubtedly her success in this new global calling was to the delight of her best friend the feminist activist Eva Cox and Peters' mentor Charles Watson, Professor of Public Health at Wollongong University, who admired her for her 'intellectual thoroughness.'

In a remarkably short time she quite brilliantly bull-dozed aside the entire weak, (some treacherous), and fragmented firearm owner, sporting shooters' groups, and almost surely was surprised by her success with the shooting massacres producing a 'win-win sound-bite' for the minds and meek support of the gullible Mums and Dads of Australia. Dunblane massacre occurred on 13 March `96 and Port Arthur followed 46 days later. Then all the pieces fell into place for Federal Attorney General, Daryl Williams, to implement the gun-ban laws prepared and ready in November of 1995 by Daryl Smeaton. Job done, it was off to the "Big Apple" for Peters.

But a point to remember, while Rebecca Peters was "down-under", 6 shooting massacres occurred in Australia and New Zealand resulting in 76 deaths and 53 wounded people. In "gun control" here, Peters was no doubt - numro uno. Curiously though since Peters left, the shooting massacres have ceased! None in the last six years. And private firearms still abound.

In New York, Rebecca Peters hit the pavement 'running' and is immediately associated with Desmond Riley of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence - part of the NAACP crowd involved in 'crafting a gun control strategy' for "curing gun ownership" - their words.

Shortly it was announced that Peters was awarded (if you believe their own news releases, or if logic is your guide, rewarded may be the more appropriate word), with a Senior Fellowship in March 1997 by the Soros Foundation's Open Institute funded Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Merryland. So the good citizens their should perhaps keep her Australasian achievements in mind.
In making application for her fellowship, Rebecca had to 'submit a budget' for her envisioned work - forgive me from chuckling. Can you imagine her difficult task here? Think of a big digit add lots of zeros and voila - a budget!

You may wish to drop a line to the Doctor so here is her working address: The Center on Crime, Community and Culture, 400 West 59th Street, New York, NY10019. Or perhaps you may wish to forward a congratulatory e-mail to < rpeters@sorosny.org > (send email). Rebecca's doctorate included a stipend incidentally of US$32,500 p.a., plus various expenses covered in her 'budgeted' expenses, the lot bankrolled by the tax-exempt Soros Foundation.

Her citizenry disarmament program is far flung, and includes Australia, New Zealand, the sub-continent, South America, Great Britain and Europe: she's a true-blue "globalist". First on the list after jetting out of Australia though, was her close involvement in organisation of the 'Million Mom March' and in reports of this event, her trademark outlandish unsubstantiated claims regarding crimes, firearms and related deaths appeared on cue. Easily destroyed later by reputable writers, but once the lie is said, truth inevitably is the casualty. Before leaving Australia though, her name was noted alongside that of her NCGC Hobart colleague (now chair of NCGC), Roland Browne on a University Paper entitled, Australia's New Gun Control Philosophy: Public Health is Paramount. 3
But I find it remarkable, that even although in Australia she'd been granted citizenship, Peters' American roots were emphasised. Now in America, Dr Peters is always reported as being 'an Australian gun control expert' - a weird twist don't you think.

In America, the Million Mom March staged on Monday 15 May 1996, on the Mall in Washington, was in Australia lauded 'a raging success'. But even with wall-to-wall major media publicity, numbers were in fact a long way short of the hoped-for million. Hillary and Bill Clinton were of course on tap for the regulation photo-shoot, not surprising really. As it was reported that the rally was 'conceived by Donna Dees-Thomases', supposedly just a concerned 'New Jersey housewife'. However it was reported that in fact Dees-Thomases was a 'high-powered CBS publicist who at one point worked for CBS anchor Dan Rather'. Even of more interest in this same report was the claim that the lady 'is the sister-in-law of Susan Thomases', who was lawyer, political advisor and confidant of Hillary Clinton, the then First Lady. 4

For Rebecca Peters, her 1996 schedule was quite hectic. It was crunch year and on 13 March at Dunblane primary school in Scotland, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton, shot dead 16, wounded 13 and then shot himself. Fifteen of the sixteen dead, and ten of the thirteen wounded were all children. Energetically publicised by their chums in the Media, Dunblane was in the scheme of disarmament, the precursor to Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, Australia. At Port Arthur on 28 April 1996, 35 people died and 20 were wounded in the first convoluted terrorist shooting massacre in this nation. In the massacre, the murder of Nanette Mikac and her two daughters was said by the CNN's John Raedler in the EMA papers to be the classic win-win, sound bite. Raedler scurried down to Tasmania from Sydney to capture that win-win, sound bite. I'm caused then to wonder how would uncivilized people evaluate Dunblane?

However, in relation to both massacres it should be remembered it was Rebecca Peters' colleague, Roland Browne, now chair of NCGC, who predicted a shooting massacre in Tasmania in November of 1995, and quite remarkably again made a repeated prediction on the "A Current Affair" TV show, straight after Scotland's Dunblane Massacre. But then anti-gun proponents in Australia seem to have this remarkable psychic skill. For in Tasmania's capitol city Hobart after a Special Premier,s Conference in relation to Gun Control held in December of 1987, NSW's then Premier, Barry

"No-gunsworth" Unsworth stated bluntly:
 
"There will never be uniform gun laws in Australia until we see a massacre in Tasmania."
Port Arthur massacre was the catalyst for subsequent reciprocal visits across the globe by some of those closely involved with victims of both shooting murders. But with Peters in America, in the, Washington Mall, just 9 weeks after Dunblane massacre, three mothers; Kareen Turner, Alison Crozier and Karen Scott, who each lost a daughter in the Dunblane murders, featured in the Million Mom March. Now while we all probably sympathise with their personal loss of young innocent children, in Washington they marched along smiling and waving. I wonder who paid for their return flight to America and similarly other flights to Australia, and conversely the Port Arthur survivors to Dunblane? Dr Peters also flew to Dunblane in August of 1996 'to deliver messages from Port Arthur survivors' it was reported at the time.

The network of Peters' and her NGO's the global Gun Control Network, are well funded and conveniently placed, as the synonym suggest - outside of governmental restraints. I would be astonished if it was proven her Australian network had not received a generous helping of Institute hand-outs to disarm our good people in 1991- 1996. To example the extent of these amassed fortunes, one such "funder", the Joyce Foundation, was reported as granting between 1993 and 1997, some $13.2 m, for distribution among 55 'gun control' organisations. John Hopkins is bank-rolled to sustain disarmament battle by such "funders" as the California Wellness Foundation (CWF), Gerorge Soros' Open Society Institute and the Public Welfare Foundation, just three of the well-endowed tax-exempt funders supporting the global gun-grabbers. George Soros, Open Society Institute funds gun control networks on a national scale across America, but indeed globally, in 33 countries. One should be surprised if Australia didn't figure high on this list. Open Society also gave the Violence Policy Center $1.2 million in 1997 to expand its anti-gun efforts. 5

Like Joyce, CWF treats gun violence as a public health problem that requires government regulation just as Peters did in Australia. Sadly every good citizen Peters disarms effectively produces one more potential victim of criminal misdeeds, a point obviously not overlooked by her. As it was observed by the then leader of the Australian Democrats, Cheryl Kernot, that Peters always went out of her way to keep a discreet distance from victims of gun crime, as she was 'sensitive to the emotional implication.' 6 I wonder if disarmed potential victims ever crossed her mind while accepting her Human Rights award from Dame Roma Mitchell? As I mentioned Peters went to John Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, and first to their Violence Policy Center. Interestingly, my investigations show Rebecca's doctorate is somewhat tainted, as if such principals would matter to Dr Rebecca.

Back in August of 1987, John Hopkins University was heavily involved in promoting food irradiation, even although the process was banned by the West German Government in 1958, and the American FDA in 1968. But not to be deterred John Hopkins organised a forum to promote publicly a 'balanced view' with 20 guest speakers. However the seminar had to abandoned, when speaker number 20 exposed the other 19 speakers not only heavily biased to promote this disposal system for nuclear waste as "safe" with all of them involved heavily in the nuclear industry.

It should come as no surprise to learn that John Hopkins in 1986, received funding of a reported $317m American "defence dollars"! What level of "Arms and Military" funding does John Hopkins receive today that in any way assists the works of Dr Peters and her 'arms-grabbing' cadre? 7

Now returning to the scene in New South Wales for a moment. Before Rebecca Peters flew out to her allotted 'battle ground' in America, she had one important task to complete here. The Parliaments of Australia are legislatures with limited powers. They are not supreme. The right to keep and bear arms and use them is a right beyond the powers of Parliament. Six hundred years ago people didn't trust government, and it would appear nothing has changed. So armed Government willing to use force - legitimised by Doctor Peters and her network - are in truth, hell-bent on closing that "loop-hole" in gun laws which are basic individual freedoms that with "clubs" they are intent on closing! This single fact assured that there would inevitably be a legal challenge mounted by some section of our citizenry that would surely win in the courts.

So in New South Wales, as the Government proclaimed "gun buy-back," began to effect the citizens a previously formed Concerned Citizens Association in the Hunter Valley, sought legal opinion as to how best to mount a case against government to have this iniquitous "law" quashed.

The global "gun control" network had no intention of suffering such a set back. Its network tentacles obviously penetrated the very fabric of society at many different levels. Peters and company certainly had a very effective "grape vine" network.

The legal advice was no sooner prepared and delivered to the client Association, than word was received by the Association's executive that Peters - remember in her own estimation a "middle class" lawyer, a very junior solicitor - had already been given an audience before the autocratic NSW Bar Association, a quite extraordinary accomplishment in itself.

I have learned that it was directly as a result of Rebecca Peters addressing that eminent group of staid gentlemen which caused them to immediately pass a motion which effectively bound them, that should a legal challenge be launched against the 1996 gun law changes in Australia, the Bar Association would mount a strong campaign to defeat such a legal challenge and apparently "free legal services" were promised to aid in defeating any such challenge, which is perhaps why in the courts of Australia, survivors of the Port Arthur massacre seeking redress have a devil's own job in getting their case to Court.

When Port Arthur and its "fruit" are considered alongside what has occurred especially in Canada what is building - fast - just south of the border should cause all Americans a deal of concern. In Canada a not-so-discreet Canadian Liberal Party Senator, Sharon Carstairs let the cat out of the bag some time back with her witnessed as pointing out before the Community Legal Education Association, that the new gun law is the lynchpin in her party's plan to "socially re-engineer Canada". 8

Her revelation prompted journalist Lorne Gunter of the Edmonton Journal, to write, "The Liberals believe [the draconian gun law] would re-engineer Canada, and especially male gun owners, making its citizens more docile." Continuing he wrote, "When lawmakers trample centuries-old liberties without an overwhelming social good, in return then respect for the law dies and the rule of law along with it." 9

Summary:

As I edited this article, news came to hand that a tenth victim had been shot and killed in Washington. On the same television news I saw were 10 people were killed and 34 injured in a 24-plus vehicle pile-up on Interstate 13, near Milwaukee: they died a grizzly, fiery death - but to a wider public such incidents are fill-in news items. They cause no widespread trauma, certainly nothing equivalent in any way to a win-win sound bite such as results from the gross uncertainty of the Washington sniper. Just the same as the Port Arthur massacre. Those who employ Hegelian dialectics against their fellow man for political gain play trauma as a finely tuned tool, to control a nation, just as 9/11 did to many nations. Trauma is an extraordinarily efficient agent, deployed to deliver control to the State through voluntary surrender by the people of their inalienable rights and freedoms.

Is it too hard to look at history? Not so long ago the Tavistock guru's Aldous Huxley and Timothy Leary under the wing of Capitol International Airways (CIA), created the first "somatotomic serial killer" Charles Manson. Hence the spate of earlier school yard shootings in America, and this latest sniper program prompts me to quote the following for your consideration:
 
"In a quite almost invisible way, OSS-CIA assessment methods transformed our basic notions about human nature. Thirteen million youths were screened, selected, trained in complex skills, behaviour-modified by means of psychological techniques. In the future, both war and peace were to be based on our knowledge of the brain. Intelligence became the key to survival in the future. Psychology became the new science of human engineering." end quote. 10
 
This morning's latest "breaking news" of the huge bomb detonated in the Bali township of Kuta resulting in upwards of 184 killed and 'hundreds' more wounded reminds me of the above article. Official reports here are suspect to say the least. After the Port Arthur Massacre, how can any Australian trust our present crop of politicians. For in the scheme of gun control delivered by politicians, I must remind you: there is no trigger guard or safety-catch on politicians.

But of one point I can be certain; Dr Peters has not deserted her latest field of operations, Baltimore and the District of Columbia, and the gun control network is not going away either. So, in these uncertain times it is Okay to be unarmed, but if you love freedom with a passion - should you be so reckless as to allow yourself to be disarmed?

Sources
 
Sporting Shooters Association of Australia, Press Release c-1998.
Fairfax - GOOD WEEKEND, 5 April 1997 "In The Firing Line" by Sonya Voumard
ISSN 1443-8607 Vol 1 Number 2 Nov. 2000.
American Rifleman - by Daniel T. McElrath, July 2000 p.13
Various Internet sites re Soros and "Gun Control" advocate posted articles
Fairfax - GOOD WEEKEND, 5 April 1997 "In The Firing Line" by Sonya Voumard
Murder By Injection by Eustace Mullins 1988, p.224
American NRA's ILA article, "Canada: where registration equals confiscation" American Rifleman, March 2001, p.67-69.
Ibid.
Serial Killers Part II, by Carol Greene and David Hammer (c-1990) p.11.

The author gives permission to copy, providing it is done so without omissions or amendments. SB


44 posted on 07/13/2004 10:39:01 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Blood of Tyrants
See post #40.
45 posted on 07/13/2004 10:40:05 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I'll take door number 2...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

46 posted on 07/13/2004 10:40:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: snowsislander

Yes, it will be the first national defeat the antigunners have ever tasted and they DO NOT like it. Many states have passed carry laws in the last 10 years and the state anti-gunners have squealed in pain. I hope this makes them pop an aneurism.


47 posted on 07/13/2004 10:43:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: looscnnn

Not exactly sure what it means, but whatever it takes.


48 posted on 07/13/2004 10:46:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Joe Brower

No doubt they are betting on the AW sunset. Once the hi-cap ban susnsets, the market which has been selling M-14 mags for $60 each will once again be ruled by the FREE market and not by artificial restrictions that drive up the prices like on machine guns.


49 posted on 07/13/2004 10:48:49 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Joe Brower

Have you read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by our very own Travis McGee (aka Matthew Bracken).


50 posted on 07/13/2004 10:50:26 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I hear ya on the free market thing. Regardless of the fact that I paid inflated prices for "pre-ban" rifles and mags, I can hardly wait until all this great gear drops in price. I never buy anything related to firearms with any intention of selling it anyway.

As for Travis' EFAD, heck, I helped him along a little with the writing of it. (Very little!). I still keep the MS Word docs of each chapter he sent along as souvenirs... $;-) I first met Matt in San Diego back in May of 2000 at the MMM-counter-rally I helped organize. A great day, it was!

I know I'm not alone in telling him to hurry up on his second book, before his "fiction" has to be relabeled "prophecy"...

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

51 posted on 07/13/2004 11:09:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Joe Brower

Recently he put me on his list, too. You will find a little, tiny idea that I came up with in the opening of the "Domestic Enemies". I am psyched about it and can't wait for each update.


52 posted on 07/13/2004 11:14:25 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: SteveH
Rebecca Peters is still around:

Link

Link

Link

Link

So watch out...
53 posted on 07/13/2004 11:35:23 AM PDT by Tarantulas
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To: neverdem

Sorry about the link, I don't think that they were ignorant of the rules: "As far back as six months ago, Gun Owners of America had been warning Senate personnel that what happened this week in the U.S. Senate could easily happen, and we had laid out the necessary steps to make sure it didn't happen.....By the way, this is not a strategy which is unfamiliar to the Senate leadership." from Friday, March 05, 2004 post on GOA http://www.gunowners.org/a030504.htm

I think they chose to ignore the rules. Deliberate? I think so, but who knows why they did it. They may have thought that if they did that they original bill would go down in flames or that they would be called out as being partison.

If they had followed GOAs steps, even the Kennedy proposal would not have been able to be added.


54 posted on 07/13/2004 12:18:52 PM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: looscnnn
If they had followed GOAs steps, even the Kennedy proposal would not have been able to be added.

I didn't make myself clear. All those democrats who voted to ban 99.9% of centerfire rifle ammo can now be hammered with that vote on Election Day. In particular, I'm thinking of Schumer and Clinton, who have attempted to present themselves to the voters of NY as mainstream, moderate and reasonable.

I'm pretty sure a fairly large number of folks who are hunters, who are not GOA or NRA members, and who couldn't give a flying fart about the ugly gun ban or other issues related to the Second Amendment, will now finally wake up and vote accordingly.

55 posted on 07/13/2004 1:19:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Sorry I misunderstood. I agree with you, but I don't see it happening. I am willing to bet that they are safe unless they do something very, very stupid.


56 posted on 07/13/2004 1:32:01 PM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: neverdem
Feinestine & Schumer just went into their rantings about the AWB..........
57 posted on 07/13/2004 2:15:30 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
Feinestine & Schumer just went into their rantings about the AWB..........

Where was this?

58 posted on 07/13/2004 2:25:47 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Senate floor about 15 mins ago.......I'll ping you w/ what they said once it's posted tomorrow.
59 posted on 07/13/2004 2:27:24 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: neverdem

wow... for once, some activism of which I took part actually had the desired effect???

geesh... mebbe I should go buy a lotto ticket.


60 posted on 07/13/2004 2:57:48 PM PDT by King Prout (Viggo Bozodozeus is your friend... Viggo Bozodozeus deserves all trust... submit to Viggo Bozodozeus)
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