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Defense of Marriage Amendment debate on CSPAN2 LIVE THREAD
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Posted on 07/12/2004 10:26:34 AM PDT by abnegation

And so it begins.....


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: anarchy; anarchyinamerica; civilization; dirtyrottenhomos; fma; homosexualagenda; homosexualbehavior; lawlessness; marriageamendment; nambla; protectchildren; protectfamily; romans1; senate; sexualperversion; wayneallard
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To: lugsoul
Bold statements. And profoundly incorrect.

Care to elucidate?

Or don't you have the courage or the brains to point out specifically how I am wrong?

241 posted on 07/12/2004 12:32:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: lugsoul
We can just have every law passed by the Constitutional amendment process!!!

The fact that this is so obviously not going to happen refutes the point you lamely try to make.

242 posted on 07/12/2004 12:32:33 PM PDT by Huck (I love the USA!)
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To: lugsoul

As I said, if the Democrats have a better alternative, they should put up or shut up. And if 75% of the states want to preserve traditional marriage, it seems to me they should be able to exercise the prerogative to do it.


243 posted on 07/12/2004 12:32:42 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Huck
What? You think we should have an amendment process just whenever? Does it make no difference that we have standing Federal legislation on this topic?

Actually, the people aren't going to have to "handle" it, 'cause it ain't even going to get out of the Senate. And everyone pushing it knows that. It is theater, nothing more.

244 posted on 07/12/2004 12:33:07 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

Wrong. the law that they stuck down does go against the DOMA. Case in point. A same sex couple is married in Mass. The move to California. California refuses to recognize the union and provide benefits. Can we say ACLU and 9th district? Let's understand a few things. 1st marriage as an institution as we know it is under attack. Since Liberals and GAYS cannot achieve the "right" outcome at the ballot box they will use activist judges to reach their goals. The only thing that can trump the courts are constitutional amendments. Finally Linclon once asks a person if you call a dogs tail a leg how many legs does the dog have? His answer 4. You can call a tail what you want but the dog still only has 4 legs. If Gays want civil unions fine no problem. All the rights no problems. Just don't call it marriage. One last thought if there is separation of church and state how does the state recognize marriage? Answer the constitution does not make a division such as that.


245 posted on 07/12/2004 12:33:30 PM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Simple. Just start with the Federalist Papers.


246 posted on 07/12/2004 12:34:14 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

All the FMA says is judges won't get to make that decision. The elected representatives of the people will. I hardly call that controlling the outcome about marriage from Washington.


247 posted on 07/12/2004 12:34:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: lugsoul
The issue is not what you believe in or what you don't believe in.

Wasn't the Constition based on this? (what men believed in)
248 posted on 07/12/2004 12:35:07 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: StriperSniper

I was wondering when he would talk about that memo again


249 posted on 07/12/2004 12:35:15 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: reagandemo
"If Gays want civil unions fine no problem."

Not under FMA - it is not "no problem." What exactly do you think "legal incidents" means?

250 posted on 07/12/2004 12:35:17 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul
What? You think we should have an amendment process just whenever?

The Constitution puts no limits on when it can be used. It does not appear to be in any danger of being overused. You're absurd admonitions are out of step with reality.

Does it make no difference that we have standing Federal legislation on this topic?

Nope. It doesn't make a difference. I can't for the life of me figure out why this debate is bad for America.

Actually, the people aren't going to have to "handle" it, 'cause it ain't even going to get out of the Senate. And everyone pushing it knows that. It is theater, nothing more.

If that's what you believe, why are you wasting so much energy on it?

251 posted on 07/12/2004 12:36:07 PM PDT by Huck (I love the USA!)
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To: lugsoul

The same politicians who claim to trust the people and these several states won't allow them to decide it. Now THAT is surreal theater.


252 posted on 07/12/2004 12:36:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: reagandemo
Oh and did you not hear the openly Lesbian judge state that the ruling was to knock down the Defense of Marriage Amendment?

(just to make it clear:) I believe she must have said that in her dissent. She believed this issue is properly the domain of the legislature and the people, not the courts.

253 posted on 07/12/2004 12:36:37 PM PDT by maryz
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To: goldstategop

That is not what it says, and you know it. I tried to bring this to an end, with us simply disagreeing. It does no good for you to simply make things up in support of your position.


254 posted on 07/12/2004 12:36:47 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: lugsoul

As I said, if the other side has an alternative, they can bring it up. Its a free country. Now I'm looking forward to the vote.


255 posted on 07/12/2004 12:38:21 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: lugsoul
Because I don't really care about the Mass. Constitution,

That makes you as one with the MA SJC -- the MA constitution specifies that issues of marriage are the province of the legislature, except as they assign any aspects to the courts.

256 posted on 07/12/2004 12:38:35 PM PDT by maryz
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To: goldstategop

I'm really hoping you meant to have a sarcasm tag on that one. If not, you are sorely lacking in recognition of irony.


257 posted on 07/12/2004 12:38:40 PM PDT by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: johnfrink
That wasn't my point, and you know it. My equation was actually between people who thought it was morally correct to discriminate according to skin color, and people who think it is morally ok to discriminate according to sexual orientation.

Do you think it's ok to discriminate based on a person's age? There are many laws on the books that dictate what a person can or can't legally do based solely on the person's age. If we can discriminate based on a person's age, then I don't see why we can't discriminate based on whether or nor a person is a sexual deviant.

258 posted on 07/12/2004 12:38:58 PM PDT by usadave
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To: lugsoul
Actually, the people aren't going to have to "handle" it, 'cause it ain't even going to get out of the Senate.

Right. Uhuh.

If U.S. Senators, generally speaking, are anything, it is cowards.

Time to shove this gay marriage cr*p right back down the throats of the degenerate Left.

This is the perfect way to do it.

I hope they whimper and moan right along with you and these NAMBLA-lovers who for some reason think they will get a warm reception amongst conservative FReepers.

259 posted on 07/12/2004 12:39:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: lugsoul
Depends on what Judge is looking at it. I mean we all know that "is" can mean many things. I do not trust my freedom to activist judges who legislate from the bench. Our freedoms and the values which this country has been founded on are continually eroded by Liberal "I know what's best for you" Judges. This is why we have amendments to the constitution. This is why we must draw the line. And since you brought up the Federalist Papers remember what they said about activist Judges.
260 posted on 07/12/2004 12:40:02 PM PDT by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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