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Baby boomers not all alike
Sun News/ Myrtlebeachonline ^ | 7/11/04 | Jeffrey Zaslow

Posted on 07/12/2004 9:38:33 AM PDT by qam1

1946, 1964 classes don't always agree........

There's a great distance between Barry Manilow and Barry Bonds.

Manilow, the singer, was born in 1946, the first year of the postwar baby boom. About 76 million births later, Bonds, the baseball slugger, became one of America's last boomers. That was in 1964, when demographers say the boom ended.

Typically, those born within that period are lumped together as the "baby boom generation," as if their values, beliefs and habits are unified. In fact, as the "late-wave boomers" turn 40 this year, it's clear that the classes of 1946 and 1964 are often very different, at times resulting in alienation and even finger-pointing.

John Dieffenbach, a 40-year-old attorney in Pleasantville, N.Y., says many of the oldest boomers are "a self-aggrandizing" bunch who treat him like an auxiliary member of their generation. "I'm part of their club but don't get the benefits." He doesn't get the "benefit" of nostalgia - being able to say he recalls when Kennedy was shot or the Beatles arrived in America. And people his age might not receive full Social Security benefits when they retire because the oldest boomers may strain the system.

The oldest boomers came of age at a time of affordable housing, easier acceptance to colleges and better job markets. The youngest boomers struggled through deeper recessions, crowded workplaces and, now, outsourced jobs.

Younger boomers also worry that in the next decade or so, their 401(k) values will fall as retired older boomers cash out of stocks.

"I share very little culturally with a 58-year-old," Dieffenbach says. In 1986, when the media declared "Boomer Generation Turns 40," he was just 22. In 1996, when newspaper articles celebrated "Boomers Turn 50" - counting the candles on their cakes (400,000 a day) and the cash spent on their birthday presents ($1 billion that year) - Dieffenbach was just 32.

"I'm waiting for the 'Baby Boomers are Dead' stories," he says, only half-jokingly.

This month, a new book, "Kill Your Idols," features essays in which rock critics who are young boomers and Generation Xers tear down allegedly classic boomer albums such as "Tommy" by The Who, released in 1969, and "Pet Sounds" by the Beach Boys, out in 1966.

"I grew up with the notion that I missed out on the greatest party ever because I wasn't at Woodstock," says the book's co-editor, Jim DeRogatis, born in 1964. "Well, I've seen the movie, and it's a stone-cold bore."

In his essay, DeRogatis slices up The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." He mocks one of the 1967 album's songs, "Fixing a Hole," which he says embodies the myopia and self-centeredness of older boomers: "It really doesn't matter/If I'm wrong I'm right/Where I belong I'm right."

The song reminds DeRogatis of two boomers born in 1946: Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. In his autobiography, "Clinton takes 957 pages to say he really didn't do anything wrong," DeRogatis says, while President Bush "still won't say he was wrong" about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction.

Dennis Peterson and his daughter, Dee Ann Haibeck, are boomer bookends, born Jan. 1, 1946, and Oct. 28, 1964. Peterson of Bellevue, Wash., says people from his era "opened the door for a lot of discussions America hadn't been having" - about such divisive matters as race, women's rights, the Vietnam War. He says those of his daughter's era "didn't have the testosterone to get involved in social issues. I don't think they had our sense of responsibility."

Haibeck feels some of her dad's hippie contemporaries "changed our culture for the worse" by making society too liberal.

Dieffenbach has a suspicion about why he and others born in the early 1960s are counted in the boomer generation. As the oldest boomers continue to lobby for power and their legacy, they think there's strength in numbers, he says. "They're just using us to increase their volume.'


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aginghippies; babyboomers; generationjones
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To: Howlin
The BB born in 1946 were 18 in 1964.

C'mon Howlin. What was the voting age in 1964? And didn't we just trade sides of the argument? Now, you're contending (incorrectly) that since many boomers were able to vote, that they ARE responsible for the great society? Now I'm greatly confused.

241 posted on 07/12/2004 3:09:30 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: Warren_Piece

I just got corrected down the thread! I'm old, ya know? I forgot!


242 posted on 07/12/2004 3:11:27 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Howlin

Yeah, but are ya WRINKLED with gnarled hands???????


243 posted on 07/12/2004 3:12:10 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Hair? Ya wanna talk about hair? President REAGAN had a NICE head of hair!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma
I'm seeing some real mooches.

Maybe CC is part of that great moocher generation!

Oh, I bet he's the exception, right?

244 posted on 07/12/2004 3:12:23 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: CyberCowboy777

you are holding a group of people within an age range responsible for various trends/decisions etc. Regardless of whether they fit the stereotypical boomer profile or not. TREATING them as a monolithic group.


245 posted on 07/12/2004 3:14:16 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: CyberCowboy777

I don't get it, Cyber. I don't know about you, but I like discussing these generational trends as an intellectual exercise, not to place blame anywhere. Heck, I'm almost old enough to be your father, yet we find ourselves agreeing. Most likely I would find no common ground with someone 14 years OLDER than me on these issues. What IS that wierd Maginot line located around the year 1962 or so that makes people treat each other so strangely?


246 posted on 07/12/2004 3:14:26 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: xsmommy
This is one BIG generalization, IMO:

The Generations that embrace the other side should be pointed out - just as the so called greatest generation should be vetted for their socialist economic culture.

Right out of CC's mouth.

247 posted on 07/12/2004 3:14:46 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Wrinkled, yeah. Gnarly, not yet!


248 posted on 07/12/2004 3:15:31 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: k2blader; CyberCowboy777
My guess is most in that age group view SS as an entitlement they somehow "deserve".

let me amend/correct your statement... it should read

My guess is most LIBERALS in that age group view SS as an entitlement they somehow "deserve".

AH, much better. and...ACCURATE.

249 posted on 07/12/2004 3:16:50 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Warren_Piece
What IS that wierd Maginot line located around the year 1962 or so that makes people treat each other so strangely?

It's a CHOICE, by certain people, to treat others that way.

250 posted on 07/12/2004 3:16:58 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Hair? Ya wanna talk about hair? President REAGAN had a NICE head of hair!!)
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To: Tamsey
I understand the problem with the exact dates.

But the generational lines are fluid anyway, as we have already stated.

We could run down decade by decade, or year by year I guess.

This has never been about blaming individuals for me, only the analysis of the impact made on society by each generation.

It is not: "You did this and that and I am mad"

It is: This generation had this impact, this culture and that culture.

251 posted on 07/12/2004 3:17:23 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: Miss Marple; CyberCowboy777

my gripe here is using the birthyear as a relevant variable, when political ideology is what is relevant, and crosses generational lines.


252 posted on 07/12/2004 3:19:27 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Howlin
There is no doubt the impact my generation has had on society.

The real question is what impact will we have when we move to more positions of power? We are in our 20's and 30's now, just coming into some earning years, but not really in any power positions.
253 posted on 07/12/2004 3:21:21 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: Howlin
ME: Johnson's Great Society, 1965-1966....total number of "boomers" with the right to vote......ZERO.

You: Are all your posts this inaccurate? The BB born in 1946 were 18 in 1964. ALL OF THREE MILLION OF THEM. You add '47, '48, '49, and '50, and you've got about sixteen million people.

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Me again: That's right, none of whom could vote because the voting age was 21, not 18.....They could though get drafted and killed in the war run by the greatest generation.

Don't have much historical perspective do you?

254 posted on 07/12/2004 3:22:12 PM PDT by wtc911 (moderate islam is the swamp where evil festers)
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To: wtc911

I said I was wrong. Enough for you, or would you like me to commit suicide since I'm so old?


255 posted on 07/12/2004 3:22:49 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Howlin; CyberCowboy777; Mo1

Cybercowboy lumps together a black panther activist and a ku klux klan member, both born in 1950. damn those boomers....


256 posted on 07/12/2004 3:22:55 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: k2blader
My guess is most in that age group view SS as an entitlement they somehow "deserve".

I have a sneaky suspicion that most in your age group would cut ours off in a heart beat.

257 posted on 07/12/2004 3:24:42 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: xsmommy

The more he posts, the more it proves he has issues with something other than "generations."


258 posted on 07/12/2004 3:25:21 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: Warren_Piece
I think I have fouled up my position here with some early comments. Blame was the wrong word I guess, and I certainly did not say individuals were responsible.

I am simply stating that generations are responsible for the certain impacts on society. That does not mean every individual hand some nefarious hand in the under-minding of the society.
259 posted on 07/12/2004 3:25:29 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: xsmommy
Birthyear IS relevant, because the same outside forces affect each person of that birthyear throughout their lives. Now, different outcomes obviously come from this, but you can't say that trends do not happen with people born at the same time. For instance, I could tell you that my first concert was Foghat/Pat Travers. That has no significance to most anyone who is over 50 or under 30. But someone who is 40 would have a definite reaction - either "Kewl!" or "Yuck!", but someone that age would have the same point of reference.

So for trending purposes, this stuff does matter.

260 posted on 07/12/2004 3:25:53 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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