A Dime's Worth Of Difference? (Liberal Republicans Say "NON!" To Tax Cuts)

OpinionJournal.com ^ | 7/11/04 | Pete Du Pont

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An important and serious argument is going on in Washington about whether taxes on Americans' incomes should stay where they are or dramatically rise, and whether government spending should continue its accelerating growth. We know what Democrats think. They despise tax cuts and believe government spending should be higher. Washington Republicans, on the other hand, are unsure of themselves. They used to be for lower taxes and smaller government; now they seem to want bigger spending even if it means higher taxes, abandoning Reagan conservatism for '60s liberalism. In other words, this is a battle for the heart of the Republican Party; the outcome matters, and it seems to be in doubt. With the help of three liberal Republicans (Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island), and one who should know better (John McCain of Arizona), the Senate, with 51 votes, adopted a rule that if passed in the House will end all the Bush tax cuts and ensure that no new ones are enacted.

[Remember_Salamis]

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[South40]

We need cuts in social spending.

The same pen GWB uses to sign these huge spending bills can veto them as well.

[Hank Rearden]

Then you'll love John F*ckin.' He'll take Big Government where it hasn't gone before.

Just like Bush has. Gee, golly, really makes me want to choose between them, huh?

I think not.

[goldstategop]

We have to work to strengthen the GOP. Michael Peroutka's Constitution Party has no chance. This is a nation built around a two party system. Conservatives can either make the GOP better or they can abandon it by passivity to the Country Club RINOs.

[Capitalism2003]

I prefer these guys.

http://www.LP.org

but either party would be preferable to these massive government republicans we have in power..

[Remember_Salamis]

"I don't support Big Stupid Government politicians, period."

--Then you've totally marginalized yourself and you may as well not exist; they're all big spenders.

[RockinRight]

I love GWB for his tax stance and foreign policy, War On Terror, etc. However, I am not thrilled with his spending habits. But is there an alternative? As in, a way to get what we all really want? I don't think third parties are the answer--the only way to make it happen is to get more Republicans to grow some balls and live out Reagan's dreams--but more so. Eliminate some departments, phase out the income tax and phase in a NRST or something similar.

[goldstategop]

Don't kid yourself. Neither the CP nor the LP will ever become a major party in this country short of a revolution.

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jmstein7;lowcountryjoe

An updated missive from my roommate, includes links:

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On the Horns of a Dilemma

I am seriously having a hard time trying to find some inducement to vote for either of the two Presidential candidates in November, but for the reasons I will elucidate below, it's getting very difficult.

First off, both of these guys are members of the same elite Masonic Lodge fraternity -- something called "Skull and Bones." Not just Bush, but Kerry also, were both raised to believe that they are the lords and we are the peasants. They're just campaigning under different "name brands". I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media, but a college reporter made the connection. Here's her article:

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?ID=27899


While Bush made a strong response after 9/11, he fails to see (or ignores) another opening for terrorists to enter this country. Our borders are like sieves -- especially the Southwestern one. Bush has encouraged this with his coziness toward Vicente Fox (who is just trying to pass along his internal problems to us). By pushing a type of amnesty for illegal aliens (primarily Mexican), he has encouraged them to continue invading California, getting free education and medical care for which low-income legal citizens "don't qualify":

Bush Amnesty Sparks Surge in Border Crossings
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111818,00.html

Medical Benefits for Non-Citizens
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77833,00.html


Here's something interesting -- do illegal aliens vote? They must -- otherwise why would both Bush and Kerry be so concerned about their welfare (at our expense)? Read this:

Candidates Court Illegal Immigrants
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124995,00.html


Last I heard, Texas ranchers were still being prosecuted for shooting these invaders when they broke into their homes to steal. And it's also my understanding that Mexican troops have come across our border in Texas, as well. Why is this allowed? Why is it not on the mainstream news? It's #42 on a list of immigration outrages you can find on Tom Tancredo's (R-Colorado) Web site:

http://www.tancredo.org/issues/issues-immigration-unbelievablelist.htm

Bush favors corporate outsourcing, which has caused a number of people to be out of work -- some I know personally. These are intelligent people with decades of experience. So, are they supposed to change careers after the age of 50, when Corporate America says they're "too old"?

U.S. Tech Workers Bear Brunt of Immigration Policy
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118473,00.html

Bush had the colossal nerve to reappoint that jerk Greenspan, who believes that he should keep his social security payments, but we Baby Boomers should have to work longer and harder for lower ones. For those of you who missed it, here's the link to the February 2004 AP story:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2004/02/25/greenspan_urges_social_security_cuts/


The way I see it, if I vote Republican, my son could be drafted, in spite of his medical problems, because we are not rich and powerful. My friends and acquaintances who are American citizens will still be out of work. The cost of getting to my own job will increase with the gas prices so that Bush can line his pockets.

If I vote Democrat, my son could still be drafted, because Kerry has also indicated support for reinstating it. My job would be in danger, because I work for a company with connections to the nuclear power industry. Gas prices will rise anyway, so the Sierra Club or Earth First! (a terrorist organization) can line their pockets. The drive to work will be just as expensive for me as it would be under the Republicans.

It strikes me that a Democrat will take your home and turn it into an environmental habitat or give it to some "minority", while a Republican will take your home and give it to a developer who will then make it a parking lot and charge you to park your car there.

Guess what? Your home is just as gone!

So, since both political parties are equally evil, just different, what are we supposed to do?

I want one more box on the ballot: None of the above is acceptable.

Sure wish Jesus would hurry up and get here before November so I don't have to deal with it.

-- Cranky in California

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[South40]

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Conservatives have to push back the RINOs. What you're seeing in the GOP is a war for the heart and soul of the party. That's why there are those who are hostile to the Reagan vision. The answer cannot be to let them win because we won't fight for what he lived and died for.

[Consort]

How about http://www.constitutionparty.com?

Splitting up the Conservative vote is a good way to elect Democrats.

[KDD]

This, along with Bush's assault on the First Amendment, are among the many reasons I don't support him.

The 4th and 6th have been gutted also.

Unlike Reagan, who appealed to the best hopes of the American People, Bush and Ashcroft have appealed to our worst fears...and have done so to implement some questionable domestic policies.

If the gun ban shows up on his desk he'll sign that so he says.

But he has been the staunchest ally to Israel of any recent President though.
I'll grab that straw and probably vote for him again.

That is if he doesn't let Powell screw that up too.

[Capitalism2003]

If you were on a runaway train, would you be happy as long as you are sitting in the right aisle, or would you 'marginalize' yourself by dragging your fingers through the dirt trying to stop the insanity?

I'd rather have dirty hands.

"When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence." – Gary Lloyd

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*sigh* see post 29...

[GeronL]

Conservatives have no say in the GOP. These Republicans tell us they are for smaller government and then they have no intention of keeping these promises. Its called lying.

If they told the truth, then we might have a chance to decide some primaries.

[goldstategop]

Yep. It'll be a feel-good protest vote that's wasted. That's why Lefties won't vote for Nader and that's why we shouldn't vote for Peroutka. They are never going to win and its being in power that determines how far you can advance your beliefs.

[Remember_Salamis]

"How many times have GOP leaders proposed real spending reductions and elimination of unneeded government programs??"

--Since unexpected Democratic pick-ups in 1998? Not many. But in the 4 years before that, we (the GOP) really really tried.

[DLfromthedesert]

It won't pass in the House.

[goldstategop]

Of course there are unprincipled people inside the GOP. You have the ballot box to send them a message. And if you don't they'll keep on ignoring us.