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Some Key Conservatives Uneasy About Bush
The Herald (Miami) ^ | Jul. 11, 2004 | SCOTT LINDLAW

Posted on 07/11/2004 10:48:58 AM PDT by Military Chick

Some Key Conservatives Uneasy About Bush

SCOTT LINDLAW Associated Press

WASHINGTON - When an influential group of conservatives gathers in downtown Washington each week, they often get a political pep talk from a senior Bush administration official or campaign aide. They don't expect a fellow Republican to deliver a blistering critique of President Bush's handling of the Iraq war.

But nearly 150 conservatives listened in silence recently as a veteran of the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations ticked off a litany of missteps in Iraq by the Bush White House.

"This war is not going well," said Stefan Halper, a deputy assistant secretary of state under President Reagan.

"It's costing us a lot of money, isolating us from our allies and friends," said Halper, who gave $1,000 to George W. Bush's campaign and more than $83,000 to other GOP causes in 2000. "This is not the cakewalk the neoconservatives predicted. We were not greeted with flowers in the streets."

Conservatives, the backbone of Bush's political base, are increasingly uneasy about the Iraq conflict and the steady drumbeat of violence in postwar Iraq, Halper and some of his fellow Republicans say. The conservatives' anxiety was fueled by the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal and has not abated with the transfer of political power to the interim Iraqi government.

Some Republicans fear angry conservatives will stay home in November, undercutting Bush's re-election bid.

"I don't think there's any question that there is growing restiveness in the Republican base about this war," said Halper, the co-author of a new book, "America Alone: The Neoconservatives and the Global Order."

Some Republicans dismiss the rift as little more than an inside-the-Beltway spat among rival factions of the GOP intelligentsia. Indeed, conservatives nationwide are still firmly behind Bush. A Pew Research Center poll last month found that 97 percent of conservative Republicans favored Bush over Kerry.

But anger is simmering among some conservatives.

"I am bitterly disappointed in his actions with this war. It is a total travesty," said Tom Hutchinson, 69, a self-described conservative from Sturgeon, Mo., who posted yard signs and staffed campaign phone banks for the Republican in 2000. Hutchinson said he did not believe the administration's stated rationales for the war, in particular the argument that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Hutchinson, a retired businessman and former college professor, said his unease with Iraq may lead him to do something he has not done since 1956: avoid the voting booth in a presidential election.

Jack Walters, 59, a self-described "classical conservative" from Columbia, Mo., said he hadn't decided which candidate to vote for.

"Having been through Vietnam, I thought no, never again," Walters said. "But here comes the same thing again, and I'm old enough to recognize the lame reasons given for going into Iraq, and they made me ill."

The tension has been building in official Washington, where conservative members of the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations committees have pressed the administration for answers on combat operations; disagreed with the Pentagon on troop levels; and expressed frustration with an administration they feel has shown them disdain by withholding information.

Chief political adviser Karl Rove's formula for re-election is primarily to push Bush's conservative base to the polls.

Another administration official involved in Bush's re-election effort has voiced concern that angry conservatives will sit out the election.

But Matthew Dowd, the Bush-Cheney campaign's chief strategist, described the fear of losing conservative support as "just ludicrous."

Bush is "as strong among conservative Republicans as any Republican president has been" - higher than President Reagan's approval among conservatives during his re-election campaign of 1984, Dowd said.

Yet, Halper said his critical review on the administration's performance on Iraq last week was met with expressions of support in the conservatives' weekly meeting, which is closed to journalists.

The marquee speaker sent by the administration was Eric Ciliberti, who spent several weeks in Iraq this year and told the audience of broad progress being made there.

Ciliberti complained to the group that the news media was not reporting the positive developments out of Iraq. Ciliberti did not return several calls late in the past week from a reporter seeking his account.


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To: Torie
Gee thanks for the help.

Now allow me to put aside the sarcasm. Your being annoyed is irrelevant to how I vote. So is your views on the conservative purity thingie. Each voter has to make up his or her mind how they evaluate a candidate. A cherry picker's vote is just as valid as a nose picker (I vote the party line).

Bush does not have to fashion a coalition to get my vote, we do not have that form of government, but his policy and the positions he stakes out influence the voter's choice. He has to live with the results. Good for him if he does well. If he does poorly it will largely be his own making.

You can not properly view my posts on this thread as being an example of a cherry picker since I laid out several issues. I also do not think I distorted Bush's position on any of the issues I cited. You are entitled to disagree with my position.

As to the rest of your post I am not sure what you are getting at. My references to chest thumping and knuckle dragging was in reference to the general tone of most posts on this thread not necessarily you personally, but not excluding you either. What you have posted on other threads has little bearing here on this one. I don't keep track of your positions.
141 posted on 07/11/2004 2:42:31 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Grey Ghost II
The Repbublicans already have control of the senate.

Not in nearly the strength needed .Stay at homes and single issue prima donnas don't help this , either. If the Senators realized the strength, and sitting home pouting is not strength, then I believe they'd be more likely to take it seriously. After all, this is hugh and series.

142 posted on 07/11/2004 2:42:58 PM PDT by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: FairOpinion
All I do, is point out that actions and words have CONSEQUENCES.

You go out of your way to insult conservatives on this forum. You regularly attempt to drive a wedge between GOP members where there is no divide.

143 posted on 07/11/2004 2:44:31 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: FairOpinion
Re: "Or most likely he would have gotten the Democrat, which would have also meant a Democrat Congress."

Yes it is was a possible outcome, but not the only one. I do not recommend you operate on that assumption with out hard facts. I quiver in anticipation for your polling data that shows Toomey would have meet with a resounding defeat.
144 posted on 07/11/2004 2:45:56 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"That's not entirely true. We could have stopped Iraq from doing anything militarily with just our airpower. Anything even remotely deemed militarily offensive in nature could have been taken out at a moments notice. We could have eliminated Saddam and his two boys without putting one single soldier on the ground in Iraq."

Maybe...but the fact is we have troops on the ground now. You want to pull them out like a bunch of lily-livered Spainards? We need to finish the job this time.

145 posted on 07/11/2004 2:48:14 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Military Chick

these idiots in the press are using conservative way to loose. in their world Arnold is one.


146 posted on 07/11/2004 2:50:23 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: sinkspur
Re: "That information is bad" (world court)

I hope you are right. Michael Savage reported it last week that the Bush administration has flipped on the world court position. Savage is not my fav, so I am hoping you are right. But it is the latest I have heard on the subject so I have nothing to disprove him (Savage).
147 posted on 07/11/2004 2:50:35 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Mark in the Old South

But when it can mean handing the Senate over to the Democrats, it's not a time to take chances.


148 posted on 07/11/2004 2:50:50 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Mark in the Old South
Actually, except for the world court, which I thought I helped you on, the rest of your list other than illegal immigration (i.e., abortion, gay marriage and the runaway court), makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me, under any standard. You seem to think Bush can just dismiss the current justices on SCOTUS, and appoint his own or something. What do you want him to do on gay marriage? (By the way I support gay marriage, but that is neither here nor there.)

Maybe I am just too dense to see the forest through the trees or something.

149 posted on 07/11/2004 2:53:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Dane

I thought I was the only one to notice. If her signup date had been today, the VK's would haved been out in full force. But she fooled them by being a three-week old poster.

Cats have small brains.


150 posted on 07/11/2004 2:53:48 PM PDT by stands2reason (Kerry/Edwards: TERRORISTS FLEE FROM BETTER HAIR!!!)
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To: NittanyLion

Show me one post, where I "insulted" anyone.

Unless you are redefining words, as Clinton and Kerry do.

I merely point out the very obvious consequence, of people actions, which, one would think they should be able to see themselves.

Do you disagree with my statement, that "Anyone who prefers Kerry to Bush is no real conservative"?

Whom do YOU prefer?

There is Bush or Kerry. NO other choices.


151 posted on 07/11/2004 2:54:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: Bombard

I agree....and there is also little said about the bastards
in the Senate who will cut him down every chance they get...
I think we all should be out ..daily..how mad we are that
they tried to cheat us out of the Florida vote..we won that
State by some 10,000..votes..but they threw away most of
the military and all in the Dem. counties...Also...
after the election and Supreme Court nominees come up...
how BIG IS THAT? cAN PRESIDENT Bush make a Supreme Court
appointment when the Senate is in recess? Who knows for
sure..if so..that will scare hell out of the Daschles/
Kennedy/Schumer/ Clinton crowd..ROTFLMAO. jAKE


152 posted on 07/11/2004 2:54:44 PM PDT by sanjacjake
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To: Mark in the Old South
Bush didn't "flip." The Bush administration said it would not seek another year's exemption for US troops, since it couldn't win the exemption in the UN.

In return, the State Department said it would be more reluctant to get involved in peace-keeping missions, since our troops could be accused of war crimes.

153 posted on 07/11/2004 2:55:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Godebert
You have me confused with the politically correct wing of the Republican party. Since we are there, the first time the Iraqis fired on us using Mosques as cover, I would have turned at least ten of them into craters at a prearranged time. A show of force like that, would have let the SOBs know we met business. The town we pulled back from in Falluja. Remember? I would have leveled it after a fair, humane warning, of say about a two hour notice.

But we didn't do that did we?

154 posted on 07/11/2004 2:55:31 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: agincourt1415

Re: "CONSERVATES NEED TO SHUT THEIR YAP, and lay out the 100 yards of CRUSHED GLASS to CRAWL ON to vote for BUSH."

Knuckle dragger alert. Not gonna do it, got it. Each voter will make up his or her own mind. You crawl on the glass and beg us.

This kinda thing does not help your cause folks.


155 posted on 07/11/2004 2:59:30 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: sanjacjake
cAN PRESIDENT Bush make a Supreme Court appointment when the Senate is in recess? Who knows for sure..if so..that will scare hell out of the Daschles/ Kennedy/Schumer/ Clinton crowd..ROTFLMAO. jAKE

That would be a pretty dangerous precedent to set. Eventually, the democrats WILL get the presidency back. Then what?

156 posted on 07/11/2004 3:00:27 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Joe, you clearly were not elected president for a reason. The bomb the shit out of them, and it will all be better mentality, is so vacuous. Talk about firing up the Muslim world to hurl themselves at the US any way they can - you've found the perfect recipe for that.


157 posted on 07/11/2004 3:00:39 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
Being humane at the risk of more American lives is not acceptable.
158 posted on 07/11/2004 3:02:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe_October; onyx; nopardons; FairOpinion; Texasforever; arasina; BigSkyFreeper; NormsRevenge; ...
Biased reporting. Our enemies the liberals showcasing disharmony. Why would they tell the truth?

Becausue they know the idiots, ,I mean the true and principled(just ask them) ,won't bother to think . Instead , they'll jump on it as so many here have already. Why bother to be rational when self righteous swill works so much better.

159 posted on 07/11/2004 3:04:04 PM PDT by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Torie
Joe, you clearly were not elected president for a reason. The bomb the shit out of them, and it will all be better mentality, is so vacuous. Talk about firing up the Muslim world to hurl themselves at the US any way they can - you've found the perfect recipe for that.

Using your logic, I guess we should have fought a more politically correct, humane war with Japan and Germany.

160 posted on 07/11/2004 3:04:49 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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