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Mother, baby attacked on Paris train after mistaken for Jews (perps of "North African origin")
AFP-Haaretz ^ | 07-10-04

Posted on 07/11/2004 5:47:35 AM PDT by veronica

VERSAILLES, France - A young woman and her baby were attacked in a suburban train near Paris on Saturday by unidentified men who drew swastikas on her stomach with a pen in what police said was an anti-Semitic assault.

The six attackers who were armed with knives clipped the 23-year-old woman's hair, and cut her t-shirt and pants before drawing three swastikas on her body.

The men of North African origin also overturned the pram with her baby of 13 months.

In the attack they robbed her backpack which contained her identity papers, a bank card and 200 euros ($250).

Police said the attackers erroneously assumed the woman was Jewish because she was living in Paris' posh 16th district.

"Only Jews live in the 16th district," one of the men was quoted as having said.

French President Jacques Chirac expressed his horror and condemned what he called "a shameful attack."

The perpetrators must be found, held accountable and condemned with the full severity of the law, a statement issued by his office said.

French Interior Minister Dominique de Villepin asked police to find the attackers within the shortest possible time, his ministry said in a statement.

The attack was "all the more serious because it was marked by racism and anti-Semitism," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arielsharon; france; frenchjews; israel; jacqueschirac
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To: veronica

Welcome to EURABIA....the worst of both worlds.


61 posted on 07/11/2004 10:19:12 AM PDT by wtc911 (moderate islam is the swamp where evil festers)
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To: claudiustg
I raised a valid question, answered the question and then addressed the spineless witnesses who watched this happen. I never said it was a hoax and I don't deserve a bunch of sanctimonious crap from the late comers.
62 posted on 07/11/2004 10:20:14 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Euro-American Scum


I can think of several countries where a neutron bomb that saves the landscape and kills the people would be a welcome improvement.


63 posted on 07/11/2004 10:26:25 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: RGSpincich

---I never said it was a hoax and I don't deserve a bunch of sanctimonious crap from the late comers.---

???

No need to get snippy! :^)


64 posted on 07/11/2004 10:26:38 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: Holden Magroin
re: "running away" to Israel...

You can't be serious.

Like Israel is such a safe place for Jews, when the UN gets more excited by a concrete wall than suicide bombers?

France has a Jewish pop of around 500K. There are 5M Muslims in France. That's 100 to 1, and they're sure not going to get any help from the Frenchies.

65 posted on 07/11/2004 10:43:11 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: Euro-American Scum
I've been told by a student who spent a semester in France that the French can be quite pleasant when they are NOT working. But they get so bent out of shape when they have to work, they get sour. A tourist only meets them when they are working.

As they work so little in their socialist paradise, perhaps that means they are pleasant far more than they are unpleasant.

As their GDP sinks lower, and lower, and lower...

66 posted on 07/11/2004 10:45:51 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: veronica
BBC link, more information.

Swastika attack on French mother

67 posted on 07/11/2004 10:49:43 AM PDT by webster
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To: veronica
The perpetrators must be found, held accountable and condemned with the full severity of the law...

I suppose this means a kiss on only one cheek. Oh, the horror!

68 posted on 07/11/2004 10:53:38 AM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: veronica
"Over the Hills and Far Away" - modern version;
(from SHARPE'S EAGLE)

Four thousand dollars on the drum,
For those who’ll volunteer to come
And enlist to fight the foe today,
Over the hills and far away.

O’er the hills, we will attack
Afghanistan and then Iraq;
George Bush commands and we obey,
Over the hills and far away.

When duty calls me, I must go
To stand and face another foe;
But part of me will always stray
Over the hills and far away.

O’er the hills, from sea to land,
Iraq, and then on to Iran;
George Bush commands and we obey,
Over the hills and far away.

If I should fall to fight no more,
As many comrades did before,
Then ask the pipes and drums to play
"Over the hills and far away".

O’er the hills, pro patria,
Iran and then Arabia;
George Bush commands and we obey,
Over the hills and far away.

Then fall in, lads, behind the drum,
With colours blazing like the sun,
Along the road to come what may,
Over the hills and far away.

O’er the hills we will advance,
Through Belgium, Germany, and France;
George Bush commands and we obey,
Over the hills and far away."

69 posted on 07/11/2004 10:55:21 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: RGSpincich

So are you saying you don't accept the account given by the young mother?


70 posted on 07/11/2004 11:20:01 AM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

No. I didn't accept the account given by the author of this article. I've since found other articles giving more complete details of her ordeal and citing up to twenty witnesses....who did nothing to help her. Maybe they weren't worth mentioning ...


71 posted on 07/11/2004 11:26:22 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
According to the article you referenced, none of the witnesses have come forward. How can you call twenty unknown people "witnesses" when they have never even been identified? I would guess then that the police report, and hence the article, are based solely on the young mother's account.

I know it happens all the time, but I would not want to convict someone based solely on the testimony of the victim.

72 posted on 07/11/2004 11:38:56 AM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Dubya2004

Drama Queen, the article was incomplete. There were other patrons of the railway who police consider witnesses. Other articles stated that That's all I asked for. You would be foolish to accept this story solely on the facts presented in the posted article.


75 posted on 07/11/2004 12:17:49 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Dubya2004
So you would allow mass-murderers to go free because, as was frequently the case in the Holocaust, they had killed all the witnesses?

Criminals do that all the time in this country, they kill the witnesses or intimidate them into not talking.

There was enough documentation surrounding the Holocaust, in the form of records and photographs (the Nazis were extremely proud of their villainy) to prove many cases of torture and murder without the need for eyewitness testimony. But many other Nazi sadists stood in the dock and were made to face an accuser. In any case, justice was meted out to many of those whose hands were covered in the blood of Jews, Poles, the mentally and physically infirm, gypsies, etc.

As for the ones who managed to escape justice here on Earth... It all depends on your view of what, if anything, occurs after you die.

What I find curious is that while all right-minded individuals are revulsed by the actions of the Germans during their embrace of Naziism, relatively little is ever said about the tens of millions murdered by Stalin and Mao.

76 posted on 07/11/2004 2:30:50 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Dubya2004; RGSpincich
"I find it very strange that in this topsy-turvy world we are currently living in, it's deemed by so many people to be far more offensive to report an anti-Semitic act than to commit one."

Exactly, and IMHO its gone beyond strange. Its become down right stupid. Given what history has shown and knowing what the current climate is, anti-Semiticism is finding some very fertile places to grow. And that pi**ses me off. And I am not Jewish.

Thats all I will say, this is a touchy subject on several levels and this is a family board.

77 posted on 07/11/2004 5:47:41 PM PDT by Khurkris (Proud Scottish/HillBilly - We perfected "The Art of the Grudge")
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To: jocon307
Don't hold back, let us know how you really feel.

O.K. I will. Except for those few in Normandy who actually remember what America did for them in 1944, the entire country is filled with sullen, angry, defiant, resentful scum with a terminal chip on their collective shoulders and a "what can you do for me" attitude.

The contrast was stark. In Carentan on June 4, we were in the town square with six veterans from Easy Company, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment -- who participated in the liberation of the town.

Into the square came this dottering old French woman -- walking with a cane and escorted by her granddaughter -- tears coursing down her face. She embraced and kissed the cheeks of every veteran in the square who wore the Screaming Eagle on his left shoulder, and spoke the only English she knew: "God bless America."

Her granddaughter served as translator and told us that her grandmother was there when the 101st Airborne took the town. She also told us that the Germans had flooded the nearby farmland some weeks before and confiscated the local food stores. The townspeople weren't starving when the liberation came, but they were close to it. And sixty years later, she remembers, and is still grateful.

But these people are in their 80s and are dying by the day. More typical is what we ran into in Paris. Sullen, piss-poor, angry, defiant hostility everywhere we went. I was personally thrown out of four separate cafes in Paris when I opened a menu and dared to speak English in their precious City of Lights. The final time, after being shoved once too often, I told the waiter he better take his hands off me or I would kick his @$$ so hard he'd be sh*tting out his ears before I was done with him. And believe me, he got the message. I don't like being spit on. Not in France or anywhere else.

France is a raped old bag who still thinks they are this glorious world power. Believe me, those days are gone and they are never coming back. Somebody ought to tell them Napoleon has been dead for 200 years. I don't think they get it. And I won't begin to remark on how many Islamists there were at the Paris train station walking around unimpeded with big backpacks begging for money.

O.K. You asked. I told you.

78 posted on 07/12/2004 12:14:09 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Euro-American Scum

"O.K. You asked. I told you."

Excellent rant, and there is nothing I like better. I'm not kidding, the theatre critic John Simon was my second real hero (after Wm. F. Buckley, who doesn't rant). You sound very justified in your feelings. And you are not alone, the American antipathy to France has really permeated our country. Even hubby hates them now, and I doubt he ever gave them a thought before.


If we look at Europe today, esp. in its self-hatred and lassitude we can see what the left would like this country to become. But I don't think it will happen here. And I've got my fingers crossed that the left will be strongly repudiated yet again in November.


79 posted on 07/12/2004 3:54:28 PM PDT by jocon307 (Nor forgive!)
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