The hawks have only themselves to blame for Michael Moore's success

The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 07/04/04 | Matthew d'Ancona

[MrBambaLaMamba]

"...The anti-war lobby has the slick movies of Michael Moore. And what do we hawks have? The sickening images of Abu Ghraib, that's what...

Right. How quickly they forget.

The best way to end war and ensure peace is to kill the enemy.

[Paleo Conservative]

ok who cut and pasted Moore's head on a picture of Rosie O'Fat?

I don't know. Check out the web address in the bottom of the photo.

[Shermy]

But who can blame Michael Moore for seizing his chance? No war in modern history has been as badly sold to the public as this one.

I agree. Specifically with Iraq. Bush did well to explain all the contexts before, but after he has utterly failed. I think it's karl Rove's "just call it the war on terrorism" solution.

Over and over myths, many contrived by the Kerry camp by attenuating prior Bush statements, unrebutted by Bush, gain hold. The fact that Moore can suggest the Saudis wanted the Iraq war and this absurdity is not met with audience laughter shows just how far some sheeple are in the dark. Fertile soil.

[Squantos]

Is'nt there a famous quote that says one is only as strong as their enemies make them ?

IMO This POS is feeding off our rage at his piss ant antics and shit'n shineola show. Votes count and Fat boy ain't running for president so lets get back to the stuff that matters in this election and that is to defeat JFK.........

Just my opinion from the sidelines...........Stay safe !

[Godfollow]

"the first documentary ever ..." Dude... it aint not documentary... unless of course you wish to change the meaning of documentary. Ever notice that liberals have to change reality to fit their view of the world?

[guitfiddlist]

But I also have to acknowledge the aplomb of his campaign, and the cunning of his strategy....But who can blame Michael Moore for seizing his chance?

And who can blame Hitler? Talk about masterful manipulation of idiot sub-sects. And also, who can blame Chamberlain? Smarmy and effete, intellectualistist Brits sure didn't...until Poland. So clink your cocktail glasses together, flare thy elitist nostrils, and smirk at the idiocy of straightforward Churchillian confrontation of aggression. For thou art Schmucks...once again.

[lowbridge]

What he fails to take into account, however, is that no war effort, with the possible exception of Vietnam, has sustained so much internal sabotage (in the form of propaganda) in history. The Bush administration has probably made just as good a case for this war effort as has any president previous, but it is no longer enough to do just that in the face of all the internal anti-US sabotage being attempted by the US and international media.

Exactly. I go the the blogs of Iraqi citizens, and what they say is happening and what the media is telling us are two different things. Sometimes the Iraqi citizens are also upset at what the media is telling the world about them and their own country.

[freedumb2003]

That was J Fing Kerry's daughter at some function. They broadened it to fit the subject matter.

[Shermy]

The Bush administration has probably made just as good a case for this war effort as has any president previous, but it is no longer enough to do just that in the face of all the internal anti-US sabotage being attempted by the US and international media.

I agree with you partly. Before the war he made a "good case" because there was one - sanctions, Kurds, the Iraqi Liberation Act, years of air patrols, bombings, the whole joke about restarting inspections, on and on about the history.

Since then, the Bush engine has gone bust. It seems his pr people have decided just to call it the "war on terrorism" and not explain further. The Bush admin changed, and is being exploited without response.

[Mr. K]

I just saw a commercial for the fat ba$tards movie- they said "it will make you proud to be an american" and then "even if you don't agree, go see it"

deception AND begging in one commercial

[muawiyah]

All Moore is doing is miseducating a lot of foreigners who we will eventually need to kill in self defense.

And it's all Moore's fault!

The man is a lunatic.

[Wally_Kalbacken]

Well - the $64B questions is - is this a preaching-to-the-choir phenomenon or is the success of the film indicative of people being attracted to (and converted by) this fanatically anti-Bush hysteria?  I tend to think it is the former and the visible expression of their gross hatred for Bush may actually activate segments of the Republican vote and perhaps conservative Democrats who will show up just to support Bush in a snapback effect - triggered by the foaming at the mouth crazies. Call it a "Wellstone Funeral Effect"...call it a plain bagel, I think it may be real.

[GVnana]

"who can blame Michael Moore for seizing his chance?"

Anyone with a sense of common decency, which this writer is aparently lacking.

[Mona Lisa2]

"In the process, he has done much to nurture the delusion that the war is simply the folly of a deranged President and his greedy acolytes, rather than a deeply-rooted global crisis and the defining challenge of our time. At precisely the moment that the horizons of Western electorates should be broadening, they are narrowing dangerously. The debate has grown perilously introspective: on both sides of the Atlantic, the war on terror is in danger of becoming just another sub-category of domestic politics.

Moore is the most powerful spokesman of the myth that gripped the Spanish people when they elected Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero as their Prime Minister in the wake of the Madrid bombing: namely, that if we oust specific politicians from office - replace Bush with Kerry, Blair with Brown - the Islamic fundamentalists will leave us alone. It is, of course, psychologically reassuring for voters to be told that they have this power, that there is something quick and clean they can do about their collective predicament. But it is also a fantasy. The theocratic guerrillas of al-Qaeda and its associates who, it emerged last week, were planning to bomb a British primary school in Madrid and, on Friday, promised fresh attacks in Europe, will not be appeased by any number of political scalps. Their ambitions for the world are much greater and more terrifying.

These are the things that can keep you up at night. Sometimes I wish I lived in the fantasy world of the left, just so I could sleep better at night. Ah, that's it, vote Bush out and most of this nastiness will go away. More and more people seem to be moving into a state of pure delusion. I keep asking myself, "Do people really believe if they get rid of Bush (Blair etc.), Islamic terror will go away?" It seems so - Europe definitly seems to be deluded in this way and more and more Americans seem to be convincing themselves it's all W's fault and they can take care of this terror problem in the November elections. No wonder Moore's propaganda film has become so popular. Its a world of pure fantasy.

[Brian Allen]

<< IMO This POS is feeding off our rage at his piss ant antics and shit'n shineola show. >>

Cannot, do not and will not disagree with a word you say -- especially the part about speaking quietly, acting professionally -- and carrying a big-bore weapon.

[Only 30% of Americans then alive supported our nation's First War of Independence and our side in this one comprises a larger percentage than that]

But p'ing and moaning at Fat Bastard's lickspittles sure helped me to feel good for a jiffy or two.

Blessings -- B A

[Squantos]

Back at ya Mr Allen !........:o)

Stay safe and remember .....a little rant now and then is good for the soul !

[JLAGRAYFOX]

My friend, America, as we know it, is about to disappear! Mr. Moore, Mr. Weinstein, Mr. Franken, etc. are afloat in money at the moment. But in a short period of time they will be without their heads! They are not really to blame, however. It is the American people that will vote away their freedom and lives!

[jordan8]

You just wonder how many people in the States will get to see it, since they live in a country under censorship.

This is what most Europeans actually believe. In every country in Europe you can go to jail for printing or saying anything politically incorrect, but these idiots have the nerve to go on about "McCarthyism".

Moore is the most powerful spokesman of the myth that gripped the Spanish people when they elected Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero as their Prime Minister in the wake of the Madrid bombing: namely, that if we oust specific politicians from office - replace Bush with Kerry, Blair with Brown - the Islamic fundamentalists will leave us alone. . . . But it is also a fantasy.

Of course it's fantasy. The cause of Muslim terrorism (and crime) in the West is the self-loathing racism the leftist elite and their "conservative" collaborators have for their own people and nations. Changing governments won't stop Islamic terrorism because no politician or party, Democrat or Republican, Tory or Labourite, will stop the invasion that is its root enabler if not cause.

[185JHP]

It's not at all a sure thing that Moore's filth will increase the Kerry vote total. Those who like the thing were likely solid Evil Party voters anyway, while the brazen dishonesty of the thing may push some people to vote "right." Blowback is very possible.