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Baptists Angry at Bush Campaign Tactics
AP ^ | 7/3/04

Posted on 07/03/2004 7:04:00 AM PDT by truthandlife

The Southern Baptist Convention, a conservative denomination closely aligned with President Bush, said it was offended by the Bush-Cheney campaign's effort to use church rosters for campaign purposes.

"I'm appalled that the Bush-Cheney campaign would intrude on a local congregation in this way," said Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

"The bottom line is, when a church does it, it's nonpartisan and appropriate. When a campaign does it, it's partisan and inappropriate," he said. "I suspect that this will rub a lot of pastors' fur the wrong way."

The Bush campaign defended a memo in which it sought to mobilize church members by providing church directories to the campaign, arranging for pastors to hold voter-registration drives, and talking to various religious groups about the campaign.

Other religious organizations also criticized the document as inappropriate, suggesting that it could jeopardize churches' tax-exempt status by involving them in partisan politics.

Campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel said the document, distributed to campaign staff, was well within the law.

"People of faith have a right to take part in the political process, and we're reaching out to every supporter of President Bush to become involved in the campaign," Stanzel said.

One section of the document lists 22 "coalition coordinator" duties and lays out a timeline for various activities targeting religious voters. By July 31, for example, the coordinator is to:

_Send your church directory to your state Bush-Cheney '04 headquarters or give to a BC04 field representative.

_Identify another conservative church in your community who we can organize for Bush.

_Recruit 5 people in your church to help with the voter registration project.

_Talk to your pastor about holding a citizenship Sunday and voter registration drive.

The Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said the effort "is a shameless attempt to misuse and abuse churches for partisan political ends." Lynn said his organization would be "watching closely to see how this plays out in the pews."

The Rev. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, a Washington advocacy group that has been critical of the Christian right, said the document was "totally inappropriate."

"We are alarmed that this initiative by the Bush-Cheney campaign could lure religious organizations and religious leaders into dangerous territory where they risk losing their tax-exempt status and could be violating the law," Gaddy said.

Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, said "efforts aimed at transforming houses of worship into political campaign offices stink to high heaven."

None of those groups, however, has been as supportive of the Bush administration as the Nashville-based Southern Baptists.

Bush spoke to the Southern Baptists' recent national convention, by video link, for the third year in a row. Outgoing SBC President Jack Graham called the president "a man of personal faith whose leadership is great for America."

On Friday, Land said: "It's one thing for a church member motivated by exhortations to exercise his Christian citizenship to go out and decide to work on the Bush campaign or the Kerry campaign. It's another and totally inappropriate thing for a political campaign to ask workers who may be church members to provide church member information through the use of directories to solicit partisan support."


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KEYWORDS: baptists; bush; land; richardland; sbc
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To: All

This deserves attention and an agreement or compromise. There are several items of interest:

1) This is a southern organization? If so, the campaign need not squeeze so hard because the South is already won.

2) I think a good compromise would be for the campaign to agree not to use rosters for fund raising, but perhaps it is okay to call folks to get them to vote or maybe volunteer for the campaign. Fundraising: offlimits. GOTV: Okay.

3) I heartily agree that those 4-6 million evangelicals Rove has spoken of should be sought, but in the battlegrounds more than the south.


21 posted on 07/03/2004 7:58:54 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Littlejon

AP

Consider the source.


22 posted on 07/03/2004 8:00:17 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Freepmail me if you'd like to read one of my Christian historical romance novels!)
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To: Porterville
The Baptist Church along with all Christians need to realize everything and everybody outside these lines are aligned against them.
African American churches, especially those in the South, the NAACP and many other tax exempt organizations are involved in Partisan Politics and they all are aiming at destroying the principles and values of this nation and the Christian community. This country was founded on Christian Principles and now our government along with activist judges are not only denying it they are trying to exclude any morals or values from being involved in government.
America in the least is headed toward becoming Communist and having a dictator. So what if it means losing tax exemption? Either way we are going to lose if we don't take a stand and fight these crooks and this perverted generation.
23 posted on 07/03/2004 8:10:30 AM PDT by gunnedah
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Most of the Southern Baptist Churches in my area have been discreetly campaigning for Bush all along. I don't think this will be a big deal for most of them. They don't tell us who to vote for, they just say to vote for the candidate that stands for what is right. That pretty much eliminates Kerry and the Dems. I don't think the Bush administration should push the issue in churches because most Christian congregations already know what they should do and are doing it. It just doesn't look good for our side even though the Dems are doing the same thing.
24 posted on 07/03/2004 8:17:37 AM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Guenevere
I'm not very supportive of Bush....anymore but I'll be forced to hold my nose and vote for him in November regardless. Unless I want an antichrist "Catholic" leftist for a president, he's the lesser of two evils.

I would view any attempt at political datamining in my chapel to be profane. If this same initiative was coming from the Kerry campaign every single person on this board who is for this would scream, making some of us hypocritical.

I wouldn't want my personal info being given to the dems by an usher in my church...would you?

25 posted on 07/03/2004 8:23:49 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: AAABEST
Would you want some democrat caretaker at your church handing your name and phone number to some political operative to be put in a database without your consent or against your will?

Wouldn't bother me. I love sending back those postage-paid envelopes - empty! And I have also been known to vent at democrat push-pollers on the phone - very therapeutic!

26 posted on 07/03/2004 8:24:40 AM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: mollynme
LOL!

Interesting take. Using their wieght against them, sort of like Judo.

27 posted on 07/03/2004 8:26:25 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Littlejon
Funny.... good ol' "Reverend" Barry Lynn thinks it's "inappropriate".
I've never heard a peep out of Barry when Klinton/Gore/Sharpton/Jackson, et al take to the pulpits of black churches to spread their propaganda DIRECTLY to the congregations.
Generally, if Lynn is against it - I'm for it.
28 posted on 07/03/2004 8:28:58 AM PDT by TheGrimReaper (o)(o)....Keeping abreast for 50 years now.)
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To: vaudine
let's just back off, stand back, and let the Dems go into BLACK CHURCHES

The big difference here is that AME churches have whored themselves out and welcome this type of exploitation. This complaint is from conservative Bush supporters whose crime is to see the church as a place of worship, not politics. Criminy, that's thier right. As much as I would disgree with them, I would have no issue here if the churchs invited the politicos in. Clearly, this did not happen.

29 posted on 07/03/2004 8:36:56 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
This source more to your liking??

When religion and politics mix too closely it's bad for both in the long run.

30 posted on 07/03/2004 8:37:55 AM PDT by UncleJeff
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To: truthandlife

Frankly, I don't see what the problem is. Churches can decline to do so. Other churches might put it on their bulletin boards.


31 posted on 07/03/2004 8:40:21 AM PDT by Alia
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To: AAABEST

Some of the things being done are definitely questionable. I keep getting mailings, emails and faxes from an organization that calls itself the National Republican Congressional Committee's Business Advisory Council, which will make me Business Person of the Year for only $250.

As if.


32 posted on 07/03/2004 8:57:20 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: truthandlife
Is this comedy?

Democrats have been campaigning from the puplit as long as I've been alive and whats more I could care less.

33 posted on 07/03/2004 9:00:40 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CobaltBlue
LOL. A cool $250 makes for good business in their book(s).

The other day the NRA wanted to put me on some honor roll or some such, complete with a certificate that looked even better than anything I've seen from Publisher's Clearing House.

I've gotten plenty of spam from the Bush campaign as well, which I really don't mind. Such is life.

This idea of trolling for lists churchgoers from houses of worship however just strikes me as out of line.

34 posted on 07/03/2004 9:13:49 AM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: truthandlife

More Baptist self-contradicting church/state separation/political activism nonsense...


35 posted on 07/03/2004 9:16:25 AM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: Sir_Humphrey
The church is for spiritual pursuits only. To exploit that is sacrilegious.

So God doesn't demand Lordship over every area of our lives, especially the way we choose to be governed? Can a genuine Christian faith be so easy compartmentalized?

"Bad Jesus... Go back to church!"

36 posted on 07/03/2004 9:19:37 AM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: mollynme
Wouldn't bother me. I love sending back those postage-paid envelopes - empty!

Why, when you can fill it with metal or rocks?

37 posted on 07/03/2004 9:22:01 AM PDT by streetpreacher
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To: saleman
Many black churches are extremely involved in politics. How many times have I seen the Rev Jackson speaking at churches? Of course, nothing he said or did had any political slant to it. He was just preaching.

But that is quite a step below what the adminstration is attempting to do here. If the DNC was surreptitiously collecting names from churches, we would be howling.

I don't mind the voter drives or the open recruitment efforts -- these are both great ideas. But to have the RNC say "Send us a list of your churchgoers," why that's just downright invasive.

38 posted on 07/03/2004 9:23:07 AM PDT by pickemuphere
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To: truthandlife

Dear Dr. Land,

When Barry Lynn agrees with you, you're wrong.


39 posted on 07/03/2004 9:26:49 AM PDT by curtking ("Being in front of a camera may make you famous, but it doesn't make you more intelligent.")
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To: Littlejon
No one with 1/2 a brain that calls themselves a Christian would vote for Kerry when they know he wold do more to undermine religious expression that Bush has done to further it.

you would think... but a lot of Christians fell for Slick Willie... they may fall for Kerry, too... (although Kerry does lack the "southerness" that Bill had.)

40 posted on 07/03/2004 9:31:30 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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