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Democrats Tap Open Source (Linux)
Yahoo News ^ | June 28, 2004 | Peter Galli

Posted on 06/28/2004 9:48:52 AM PDT by Golden Eagle

Open source has expanded into the political world, with open software powering the online operations of the Democratic National Committee and Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign.

The DNC has embraced open source to run its online operation, including outreach and fund raising, and has been working on this front since 2001 with New York-based consultant Plus Three LP.

This week, the DNC will launch, at www.democrats.org, the third version of its Web site, which is designed to mobilize voters on a national and grass-roots level, grow the party's online database, and raise funds, said David Brunton, Plus Three's vice president and co-founder.

Plus Three's Arcos technology, a business application suite based on the open-source LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and Perl) platform, lies at the core of the Democrats' online technology infrastructure, dubbed Demzilla by the DNC.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; apple; ibm; linux; microsoft; opensource; oss; windows
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To: Paladin2

LOL, do you have any idea how foolish you look puting the Red in Redmond in Red, and the $ from M$ in green?


181 posted on 07/01/2004 7:31:28 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
You have become an obvious idiot.

There are likely a large percentage of Chinese who agree with capitalism and the concept that the power of the government should be willing given by the majority of the people.

Did you make any notice of the Tienanmen Square protests of the way the current government is constructed?

Do you think that the US has no DemocRAT Party that is subscribed to by a significant fraction of the population. I'd suggest that China is in many ways similar except that the Dims are in charge in China still. China represents a huge opportunity for reformation as does the ME.

Bush is willing to try to change the orientation of the ME. How do you know that China is not next on the list?

182 posted on 07/01/2004 7:31:38 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Golden Eagle

The truth really bothers you doesn't it?


183 posted on 07/01/2004 7:33:04 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Paladin2
still haven't committed to disclosing your position on whether IP is different from real property

I've made this clear: it's our property and we shouldn't be giving it to the world in some kind of "free software for the world" program. You're welcome to refer to it as "free intellectual property for the world" program, if that makes you feel any better.

184 posted on 07/01/2004 7:34:41 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
A complete avoidance of answering the question.

Doesn't the fact that Bill Gate$ heavily subsidizes the Socialists (DemocRATS) bother you?

185 posted on 07/01/2004 7:39:33 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Paladin2
You have become an obvious idiot...The truth really bothers you doesn't it?

The fact that Free Republic has quite a few socialist sympathizers posting here is unfortunate, indeed.

186 posted on 07/01/2004 7:41:38 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I'd suggest that YOU are the Socialist interested in providing Welfare for your "industry" through the enslavement of the US s/w users.

Live Free or Die.

187 posted on 07/01/2004 7:45:18 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Paladin2

Gates gives to both parties almost equally, most any analysis has shown. He doesn't give the commies in China a copy of Windows to rename "Red Flag" though, which seems to be your problem with him. That or free software to France, Thailand, Malasia either. No, he's a US capitalist, and a very good one. Obviously burns you socialists to bits.


188 posted on 07/01/2004 7:45:34 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
He's a Socialist who views his users as sheep ready for the shearing and as his birthright to be shorn.

Me, I'm not interested is submitting to being a peon as you apparently are.

189 posted on 07/01/2004 7:49:51 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Paladin2
Live Free or Die.

There's plenty of good existing US for-sale options that you're free to choose, but free software for you and North Korea are not your birthrights.

190 posted on 07/01/2004 7:53:41 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
I'd note that YOU have yet to complain that it is indeed unfortunate that FR doesn't run on the Socialistic Overlord M$ software.
191 posted on 07/01/2004 7:54:01 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Paladin2
Me, I'm not interested is submitting to being a peon as you apparently are.

LOL dude I'm sitting in my three story house on the water right this minute. I was just talking to my neighbor about how big a boat might fit on my second lift. I'm no peon, although I have a pretty good idea you probably are. Didn't you say your specialty was squeezing the last possible life out of near-obsolete equipment, or something similar? Been making a killing lately, I'm sure.

192 posted on 07/01/2004 7:57:09 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Paladin2

That's their decision and I respect them, and Microsoft wouldn't be a good switch based on their current config, some form of Unix would. They're obviously not on here spouting nonsense like you are, either.


193 posted on 07/01/2004 8:00:23 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
As always. I just built a (recycled) Desktop to provide the same functionality as a laptop for data acquisition. The Desktop (a 433 Celeron o'clocked to an easy 488MHz) boots twice as fact as a laptop of 1.8 MHz and provides continuous functionality that the laptop in apparently incapable of doing. There's easily a 10x difference in price and a 2X difference in effective performance (in the other direction) for a 20X value difference.

It's not a question of affordability, but the intellectual challenge to providing value and functionality.

Go ahead and promote suboptimal systems. Eventually the corporate welfare you apparently exist on will be terminated as it was for the "poor people", much to their (and society's) benefit.

194 posted on 07/01/2004 8:11:25 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Golden Eagle
that the IP is being transferred without compensation taking place.

Wrong. No IP is transferred as a result of software being GPL. GPL relies on the IP of the author. Does the government need an accounting of someone volunteering at an animal shelter or helping around the local church?

You can go that route. But you run the risk of looking like a socialist trying to chip away at the US profit system. If something like that matters to you.

I go that route because it's true. In our system IP is an artificially created monopoly on ideas for the sole purpose of providing incentive to create more. It's right there in the Constitution and the letters of the Founders.

Here's an article from just today from an open source journalist,

Yes, IBM did contribute to the works of others. And guess what, they're making a lot of money with that strategy (I thought you cared about that).

That stuff shouldn't be going to China at all, much less for free.

There you go again with "much less for free." You way differently, but your words repeatedly show you think damage to national security is lessened if corporations profit.

195 posted on 07/02/2004 6:27:37 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Wrong. No IP is transferred as a result of software being GPL.

You actually believe this?

In our system IP is an artificially created monopoly on ideas...

Who has a monopoly on ideas? Can't say IBM or Microsoft. Together, they don't even own half of all IP. It's well distributed now. It won't be in your marxist fantasy.

You way differently, but your words repeatedly show you think damage to national security is lessened if corporations profit.

Of course it is. Why else would it be allowed at all?

196 posted on 07/02/2004 2:35:38 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
You actually believe this?

No belief involved. It's a matter of law.

Who has a monopoly on ideas? Can't say IBM or Microsoft. Together, they don't even own half of all IP. It's well distributed now. It won't be in your marxist fantasy.

IP 101: If I create a new comic character, say "Brass Buzzard," that is my idea. Now ideas aren't a limited quantity, such as real property. By you seeing my idea, you now have it too, but I lose nothing. I still have the idea. What the Constitution came up with is that there can be a loss: I may not have incentive to create another character, say "Pewter Pidgeon," if anyone else who sees my idea can also reproduce it, depriving me of income I could have had if the idea had a limitation on quantity, such as real property does. But realizing that the free exchange of ideas is crucial to advancement, the Fathers compromised: they invented a monopoly on distribution, but only for a limited time (although as usual, the government has forgotten the Constitution and it's now unlimited).

Now with this monopoly, I can do whatever you want. No one can use my characters without me saying so. The way I grant others the ability to use my characters is through a license to do so. The terms of the license can be anything: cash, use of their characters, whatever. It's my monopoly, I can make the terms.

The interesting thing about the GPL is its terms. Authors (monopoly holders) aren't paid in cash or other normal negotiables. They are paid in product. To be specific, their payment for licensing their software is that the authors get the right to use any improvements made by others, but then they're subject to that same license, on the recieving end now.

It's a recursive loop that just results in better and better software as it goes.

197 posted on 07/02/2004 9:06:46 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Apparently one of the few, beneficial, infinite loops - :-).


198 posted on 07/03/2004 2:01:21 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argumentation.)
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To: Golden Eagle

No deniles, John kerry Linux and planned parenthood and al-jazerria use windows..


199 posted on 07/05/2004 3:52:42 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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