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1 posted on 06/24/2004 9:09:32 PM PDT by Southack
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A benign relationship, nothing for all those soccer Moms to worry their pretty little heads about.

On the other hand, they may want to consult with Nick Berg.

2 posted on 06/24/2004 9:13:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Mr Gore.


3 posted on 06/24/2004 9:13:24 PM PDT by jbstrick (War is not fought for peace. War is fought for victory.)
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... Mr. bin Laden's...

Death to Mr.Bin Laden!

4 posted on 06/24/2004 9:14:34 PM PDT by Reagan Man (.....................................................The Choice is Clear....... Re-elect BUSH-CHENEY)
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Guess those of us who took them up on their "Show Us The Proof" editorial got a reaction. Here's what I got in my email today (names, email addresses, and his phone number redacted):


Dear X,

Mr. Okrent will be addressing the June 17th article “Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie; Describes a Wider Plot for 9/11”, (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/17/politics/17panel.html) and its headline in his column in the week in review section on Sunday.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXXXXX
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times

At 11:03 AM 6/18/2004, you wrote:
Dear Mr. Okrent,

This is a complaint about the reporting on the 9/11 commission
report in the Times yesterday. There are a number of clear distortions and
an appalling lack of backround research evident in the content of the
stories.

First, the headline itself reads "Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie".
This headline is of course the most prominent thing in that day's edition
of the Times. All one needs to do is read the actual report from the
commission, which reads, in part:
"Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his
time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime. Bin
Ladin had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi
Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly
persuaded Bin Ladin to cease this support and arranged for contacts
between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly
made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin
is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as
assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.
There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also
occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not
appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior Bin
Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al
Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda
cooperated on attacks against the United States."
Can you honestly tell me, after reading that paragraph of the
report, that the panel found no Iraq-Al Qaeda tie? Clearly, the person who
wrote that headline failed to read the report. This is a gross instance of
journalistic malpractice.

Unfortunately, that is only the beginning of the distorted
coverage of the report. The major story on the commission's report itself
is on the right side of the front page, and is headlined "Challenges
Bush". We learn in the first paragraph that the alleged absence of a
"collaborative relationship" between Al Qaeda and Iraq "sharply
contradicted one of President Bush's central justifications for the Iraq
war, ...." This is quite an allegation, given that President Bush never
declared the existence of such a relationship to be even a part of the
reason for the war, and certainly not a "central justification".

What is the reason for these outrageous distortions and
misinformation on the front page of the New York Times? I will offer what
I believe to be the reason. Turn to page A28, and you will see the lead
editorial proclaim "there was never any evidence of a link between Iraq
and Al-Qaeda". Given that a few minutes on Google turns up the 1998
indictment of Usama Bin Laden in the Untited States District Court for the
Southern District of New York (by the Clinton administration's Department
of Justice, no less), which states: "Additionally, the indictment states
that Al Qaeda reached an agreement with Iraq not to work against the
regime of Saddam Hussein and that they would work cooperatively with Iraq,
particularly in weapons development.", where do the individuals who wrote
that story get off calling themselves reporters? Iraq/AQ connections
abound if one does not deliberately blind onself to them: Salman Pak, Abu
Nidal, Atta in Prague, the pre-9/11 reports in official Iraqi press
predicting the attacks, Ramzi Yousef, Sudan connections, and so on.

If a person cannot do so much as look up a search term on the
Internet, which would lead them to many credible and substantiable sources
of information on the topic, they have no business calling themselves
reporters, to say nothing of getting their stories published on the front
page of the Times.

Occam's Razor (a general rule under which the simplest explanation
is considered the most probable) leads one to believe that the distortions
on the front page, viewed in the context of the clear agenda of the
editorial staff of the Times) were intended to support the predetermined
point of view of the editorial. In other words, the Times editors
deliberately lied to its loyal readers in order to launch yet another
attack on the President, facts be damned.

It leads one to wonder, at what point can the printing of the
Times be considered to be an illegal contribution to the Kerry campaign?
It also leads one to wonder how much farther the circulation of the Times
needs to drop before the business managers realize that the pattern of
deliberate distortion, which is plain as day to the objective reader, is
the reason why the Times and its cohorts in disinformation find their
circulation dropping regularly, while more objective sources such as the
Wall Street Journal and (it pains me to say it, but it's true) the NY Post
enjoy strong expansions of their readership?


5 posted on 06/24/2004 9:15:01 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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9/11 comission = worthless dog and pony show!!!!


7 posted on 06/24/2004 9:16:10 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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10 posted on 06/24/2004 9:23:11 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Islam delenda est)
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Crazy Al is the Wiley Coyote of politics! This is the teetering rock that follows him down to the bottom of the canyon. He's probably home right now putting on his roller skates with an Acme rocket on his back and some crazy map next to him!

Pray for W and our Awesome Troops

14 posted on 06/24/2004 9:25:52 PM PDT by bray (Let's win one more for the Gipper)
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"Bin Laden also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime," the Sept. 11 commission report stated.

OK...the dems want to niggle, as does the times, that the relationship was not "collaborative." Goodness me. They hadn;t got to second base yet. For starters, see here that Iraq initiated. THEY were the instigator. It doesn't matter if they were rebuked by Osama or not. The FACT is Saddam sought to form an alliance with terrorists in the middle east. In my book, that makes him a menace and a threat. Let the dems run against it. Let em explain to America that yes, Iraq sent love letters to Osama, and tried to unite the jihadist terrorists in an alliance of islamic fascism. BUT....the relationship was not "collaborative", and therefore, Bush went too far. France likes me better. I'll raise your taxes. Great platform. LOL!

18 posted on 06/24/2004 9:31:52 PM PDT by Huck (Be nice to chubby rodents. You know, woodchucks, guinea pigs, beavers, marmots, porcupines...)
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More.


21 posted on 06/24/2004 9:41:49 PM PDT by cgk (3000+ 9/11. Pearl, Fallujah, Berg, Jacobs, Scroggs, Johnson, Sun-il... Never forget. Never Again!)
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The new document, which appears to have circulated only since April, was provided to The New York Times several weeks ago, before the commission's report was released.

You mean to tell me that the New York Times has been sitting on a document that links Saddam Hussein to Al Queda, while at the same time publishing irresponsible front-page headlines claiming no link?

Simply amazing.

I'm not convinced the Times' public editor will come out on our side, though.
32 posted on 06/25/2004 12:07:45 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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It is not known whether some on the task force held dissenting opinions about the document's veracity.

Translation: Being a member of the democrat propaganda machine, we want you to have doubts about the credibility of this report, despite the fact that we have absolutely no corroborating evidence whatsoever.

35 posted on 06/25/2004 3:43:16 AM PDT by InfraRed
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First identify the bias:

"The document states that Iraq agreed to rebroadcast anti-Saudi propaganda, and that a request from Mr. bin Laden to begin joint operations against foreign forces in Saudi Arabia went unanswered. There is no further indication of collaboration. "

"The commission concluded that the contacts had not demonstrated "a collaborative relationship" between Iraq and Al Qaeda."

"The new document, which appears to have circulated only since April, was provided to The New York Times several weeks ago"

This thing is ONLY 10 weeks OLD! THEY KNEW!

"Some of the intelligence provided by the group is now wholly discredited, although officials have called some of the documents it helped to obtain useful."

"It is not known whether some on the task force held dissenting opinions about the document's veracity. "

"But the document contains no statement of response by the Iraqi leadership under Mr. Hussein to the request for joint operations, and there is no indication of discussions about attacks on the United States or the use of unconventional weapons. "

"Members of the Pentagon task force that reviewed the document said it described no formal alliance being reached between Mr. bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence."

"It is not clear whether the commission knew of this document. After its report was released, Mr. Cheney said he might have been privy to more information than the commission had; it is not known whether any further information has changed hands. "

This thing is ONLY 10 weeks OLD! THEY KNEW!
36 posted on 06/25/2004 4:13:31 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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The damage to Bush is already done on this. No way are the Wash Post, LATimes, Seattle Times, Detroit News etc. gonna go back and retract their erroneous bold headlines...
37 posted on 06/25/2004 4:27:50 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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For later.


38 posted on 06/25/2004 4:29:21 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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Al Gore ... worst ... timing ... ever.

(or as the brilliant James Taranto puts it ... Al Gore "jumps the shark" yet again)

LOL!

40 posted on 06/25/2004 5:00:02 AM PDT by The G Man (John Kerry? America just can't afford a 9/10 President in a 9/11 world.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; LindaSOG; Radix; Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001; LaDivaLoca; Fawnn; ...
Iraqis, Seeking Foes of Saudis, Contacted bin Laden, File Says

This article was on page A-5 in the Austin Pravda. Anyone see it on the front page of your paper? It is not in the Austin Pravda electronic edition yet, and I don't expect it to ever show up. It should have been on A-1 above the fold, but that would have been pro Bush.

The article on A-1 above the fold, in one of the largest print sizes I've seen was

Over 100 Killed In String Of Attcks In Iraq

Anyone reading just the headlines, would think the dead were all Americans.

42 posted on 06/25/2004 5:06:11 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It is not Bush's fault... it is the media's fault!)
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Page one? Where did they put the Abu Ghraib pictures?

Thanks for posting, Southack. Very interesting article.


43 posted on 06/25/2004 5:11:46 AM PDT by RottiBiz (Help end Freepathons -- become a Monthly Donor.)
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Funny how, after weeks floating around the Times office, this comes out on a Friday.

Done in hopes that by Monday, and the start of a new broadcast week for talk radio, this story will be old news.


44 posted on 06/25/2004 5:12:43 AM PDT by Gefreiter
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bump


45 posted on 06/25/2004 5:15:15 AM PDT by sanchmo
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Slimey work by the NYT on a number of counts--http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/001873.php


53 posted on 06/25/2004 8:54:23 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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