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Supreme Court sets aside ruling that Vice President Cheney must turn over energy task force records.
CNN

Posted on 06/24/2004 7:16:23 AM PDT by green iguana

Just breaking on CNN.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government
KEYWORDS: cheney; energy; energytaskforce; executiveprivilege; ruling; scotus; supremecourt
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To: freeeee
Every good American knows we're supposed to be kept ignorant of what government does

I disagree. We must have cams with sound in every room of the White house broadcast on the internet 24/7. In fact we should have a microphone in Bush's bedroom in case he discusses policy with Laura or talks in his sleep.

101 posted on 06/24/2004 9:53:23 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: freeeee

National security was one potential issue here, but I suspect the bigger reason for the secrecy was that many of these discussions revolved around proprietary energy technology that belongs to private companies and shouldn't be revealed to the public for obvious reasons.


102 posted on 06/24/2004 9:55:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: green iguana
"Not quite as good as it originally sounded..."

Sounds like they're giving the lower court the chance to correct the original ruling.

103 posted on 06/24/2004 9:55:56 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: freeeee
Public servants hired to serve our best interests are not

My local gov't goes into executive session all the time, which is private. No one seems to be too concerned.

104 posted on 06/24/2004 9:59:17 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
My local govt can't do that. Years of well documented corruption and nepotism resulted in the Florida Sunshine Law.

And every year since then they try to find loopholes around it.

105 posted on 06/24/2004 10:01:49 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: freeeee
You've never heard of 'alterior motives'?

So what. Politicians vote for bills for all sorts of reasons other than the stated ones. What matters is the result. Shall we make politicians take lie detector tests in order to ferret out their "alterior motives" when voting ?

106 posted on 06/24/2004 10:02:06 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
"Should we allow the executive branch to spend all its time in court answering questions at the whim of every judge ?"

Not to mention every politician, politician wannabe, actor, singer, activist group, activist....and on and on. Good lord, we'd still be debating whether to go after terrorism three years after 9/11/01. We'd never get an energy policy of any type...there would be a group of wackos tying up every attempt to create any policy indefinitely.

107 posted on 06/24/2004 10:05:59 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: VRWC_minion
Politicians vote for bills for all sorts of reasons other than the stated ones

And open hearings would hold them accountable when they conspire with others for such purposes.

Regardless, I have listened to the reasoned arguements given by other posters on this thread and have conceded the issue.

108 posted on 06/24/2004 10:06:55 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: green iguana
This is good. This ruling means that the Congress, Supreme Court and the Presidency are working together to advance our agenda.
109 posted on 06/24/2004 10:08:24 AM PDT by Teplukin
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To: freeeee
My local govt can't do that.

Not even for hire/fire issues ?

110 posted on 06/24/2004 10:11:17 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: freeeee
And open hearings would hold them accountable when they conspire with others for such purposes

First, no one needs to disclose an alterior motive when one can claim the apparent motive. Second, hearings do not ordinarily cross gov't branches. Third, we can judge the results ourselves. Fourth, the cure is the voting booth.

111 posted on 06/24/2004 10:13:23 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Petronski
LOL, I checked out your link to witness first-hand the crybabying over at the scumbag site and, scrolling down, somebody had this picture posted:

I am positive that the DUmmy who posted this has no idea that the Boston Tea Party was a protest against that which the scumbag Democrats love most - - TAXES! (Doh...!)

The hypocrisy and utter cluelessness of the simpletons over there is downright hilarious!

112 posted on 06/24/2004 10:16:40 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: VRWC_minion
Not even for hire/fire issues ?

I'm not sure about that, they have carved out loopholes but the rule is there can't be more than one of them together without it being on public record.

113 posted on 06/24/2004 10:16:58 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Petronski
DU is always good for a few laughs:

"So a republican president can keep who they met with private, but you can sue in civil court a democratic president" - 'shoelaces'

And also you can make an apple pie from apples, but you can't make apple juice from oranges.

114 posted on 06/24/2004 10:23:24 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('President Reagan has died, but don't lower the flag until we have too'.....DNC)
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To: freeeee
there can't be more than one of them together without it being on public record.

Never work in my town. too small. I couldn't go anywhere without running into some town representaive.

115 posted on 06/24/2004 10:25:14 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion

It's only elected officials that can't be together off record.


116 posted on 06/24/2004 10:29:55 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: freeeee
"It's only elected officials that can't be together off record."

They want every record of every word uttered at every meeting concerning the energy task force. That includes all namess and words of all present, elected official oor consultant.

117 posted on 06/24/2004 10:36:36 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: freeeee
It's only elected officials that can't be together off record.

That is the point. I go to Rotary and there are about 3 or 4 elected official, some even sitting at the same table. I go to my daughters graduation and there were elected officials there too, some in the same classroom putting on the gowns and some making small talk in the hallway. I go to vote at the end of the day for the budget and lo and behold guess who is gathered together chatting while waiting to hear the vote ? Yep. elected officials. I go to our parade and town celebration day and guess who is marching while chatting together while they walk ? Yep, elected officials.

If our town had this same law we would have to have a fleet of stenographers on call at all times. Are you sure there isn't something left out of your understanding of the law ?

118 posted on 06/24/2004 10:41:37 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Are you sure there isn't something left out of your understanding of the law ?

It was explained to me by two different County Commissioners.

119 posted on 06/24/2004 10:44:23 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: freeeee
So you agree with President Jefferson's thoughts on where to draw the line on secrecy?

"It is essential for the public interest that I should receive all the information possible respecting either matters or persons connected with the public. To induce people to give this information, they must feel assured that when deposited with me it is secret and sacred. Honest men might justifiably withhold information, if they expected the communication would be made public, and commit them to war with their neighbors and friends. "
Thomas Jefferson to John Smith, 1807

Or you don't?

Perhaps congress should require the President to submit a daily tape recording of all his and his appointees conversations- supplemented with a journal of all their thoughts.
It would go a long way to removing those "separated powers" that interfere so much with the government running the country efficiently.

120 posted on 06/24/2004 10:47:14 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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