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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Eleven
WND ^ | 6/24/04 | N/A

Posted on 06/24/2004 12:40:07 AM PDT by JustPiper

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"I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat"

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Iran seeks swap of Brits for suicide attackers

Report says 40 Revolutionary Guard 'volunteers' held by UK

Iran apprehended British military personnel and Navy vessels earlier this week in order to secure release of 40 "suicide operations volunteers" held by the UK, according to an Iranian Revolutionary Guard source.

The source told the London Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that the British Army command in Iraq received the demand from the Revolutionary Guard, reported the Middle East Media Research Institute.

According to the source, the content of the message was very simple: "Release our comrades, whom you are holding, and we will release your soldiers."

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We are the "Stotters" who make ourselves aware of the enemy who wishes to do us harm



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June 23, 2004, 9:11PM

PORT SECURITY
Not easy to balance global trade against global terror
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, much of the nation's anti-terrorism efforts have been focused on preventing new plane hijackings. Nearly three years later, security measures are finally coming to another point of vulnerability: the nation's seaports.

Living in proximity to the Port of Houston, Houston-area residents have known long before 9/11 of the need to secure the nation's maritime shipping lanes. Security experts made it clear that little prevents a suicide bomber from steering a vessel right into port or along the Ship Channel and setting off explosives or detonating a chemical or biological weapon.

A breach could close the port, kill large numbers of people and create economic and environmental disaster.

On July 1, new federal anti-terror rules aimed at preventing such horror are set to take effect at approximately 3,000 U.S. terminals and other port facilities. After that date, every tanker, container ship or other foreign-flagged vessel will have to be certified by its flag country that it has met security guidelines established by the United Nations' International Maritime Organization. No foreign vessel without a certificate will be permitted entry at a U.S. port.

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said in Houston on Wednesday he expects most ships and every U.S. seaport will meet the July 1 deadline for a host of new security procedures.

But, as a June 20 Chronicle report on stepped-up security at the Port of Houston made clear, those efforts must be thorough enough to detect and thwart terrorism, but carried out efficiently enough to maintain the free flow of commerce.

The fact that Liberia, Panama and Cyprus are popular with many shippers as states of registration offers one reason for anxiety. Certificates of security from governments such as these shouldn't be expected to bolster Americans' confidence that domestic shipping lanes are well-protected from terrorist sabotage.

Energy industry shippers have expressed a different concern: that the new regulations could hinder tankers delivering oil just as additional supplies are being deployed to satisfy U.S. market demand. Consumers and businesses could see new spikes in prices at the gas pump if missing certification or confusion and red tape delay oil tankers' entry into the Port of Houston and other docks.

That's good early news. Nearly 177.6 million tons of goods ship through the Port of Houston annually, and the majority of vessels carrying these loads are foreign flagged. It will be a massive undertaking to weave a security net tight enough to keep terrorists out, but flexible enough not to strangle the commerce we want to protect.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/2644245


361 posted on 06/24/2004 7:02:10 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: texasbluebell

"I don't want to be better than my enemies. I want to survive them."

Great post!


362 posted on 06/24/2004 7:02:36 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks (Once a Texan.....always a Texan!)
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To: WestCoastGal

RE: your tagline.

FReeping........yes, I have a bad case of it.

Nascar.........I just don't get it. But I respect you enough to try.

I really do LOVE NFL football, however.


363 posted on 06/24/2004 7:07:30 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks (Once a Texan.....always a Texan!)
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Wonder where Cuba got all the money to do all this...

Is Cuba a Threat to the United States?
Dr. Manuel Cereijo
Thursday, June 24, 2004
Reality:

In spite of all the economic disasters, Cuba has continued its development of very expensive facilities in the areas of terrorist activities. To mention just a few, we have:

Cuba's Biotechnology Development - Main Centers

Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology


The most important institution in Cuba's biotechnology industry is the Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, CIGB. It was established in La Habana, in 1986. Located west of La Habana. 31 Ave, between158 and 190 Streets, Cubanacan. Cost: $150 million dollars.

It has a total area of 60,000 square meters. The Center has state-of-the-art equipment, second only to the United States in the Americas. At the center work outstanding scientists and engineers dedicated to genetic research, virology, cloning, vaccines development.

The main CIGB buildings cover an area of 43,200 square meters and contain specialized labs for both general purposes and dedicated research. The CIGB has a biotherium, barrier zones or white rooms,which allow research with sensitive and lethal agents.

The CIGB's modern andefficient technological equipment includes mass spectrometers, infraredand ultraviolet, electron and scanning microscopes, gamma counters, DNA synthesizers. Also, and very important, downstream fermenters, drying and milling machines, centrifuges, which can, therefore guarantee research and development of bioweapons, such as bacteria and virus agents.

In the CIGB work more than 700 highly skilled researchers, scientists, and engineers. Russians scientists cooperated with the CIGB several times, including, according to certain intelligence sources, assisting in the development of altered strains of bacteria. Capacity to produce bioweapons.
Annual operating cost: $400 million dollars

Biocen


The National Bio-preparations center, Biocen, located in Bejucal, south of Habana province, at Carretera de Beltran km 1 1/2 is engaged in industrial scale production of human vaccines. It was built in 1992 at a cost of $15 million dollars.

Biocen's culture media plant has an annual 40 tons. capacity. It is equipped to carry out homogenization, hydrolisis, dehydration, milling, sifting, filtration, and several other processess required not only for the biotech and pharmaceutical industries, but for bacteria and virus weaponization.

A new department that manufactures recombinant products went into operation in 1993. New cost: $7 million dollars. The complex also includes a plant producing immunological reagents and two vivaria labs.

Innovative techniques have been developed at Biocen for obtaining culture media, substituting the traditional expensive nutritive bases, like meat, casein. They have developed 14 alternative protein sources. There is the capacity here to produce bioweapons. Annual operating cost: $50 million dollars
The Finlay Institute


The Carlos J. Finlay Medical Research Institute is located in Ave. 27, No. 19805, La Lisa, Habana. Modernized in 1994 at a cost of $10 million dollars.

he Institute occupies an area of 23,000 square meters, divided into three areas: fermentation, purification, and "clean rooms". Over 950 persons work at the Institute. Of these, 70% are engineers and scientists.

The Institute has done extensive work in the research and development of new vaccines. Among them, vaccines against Leptospirosis, Hepatitis, Cholera, and Meningitis. The Plant III area is well prepared for the production of the most sophisticated biomaterials. It is highly secured.

The main areas of research and production of the Institute are related to bacteria and viruses.Commercially, it has worked on research and production of vaccines. Capacity to produce bioweapons. Annual operating cost: $25 million dollars
The Institute of Tropical Medicine Pedro Khoury

The Institute was founded in 1937 by Dr. Flori, a very well known Cuban scientist. The center's research area is in microbiology. The Institute has the necessary state-of the-art equipment for research and development related to tropical bacteria and viruses. Modernized and relocated in 1992 at a cost of $12 million dollars.



The Institute has also conducted extensive research on yellow fever. Yellow fever is a viral disease that has caused large epidemics in the world. Infection causes a wide spectrum of disease, from mild symptoms to severe illness and death.


There are other tropicaldisease that could be used as bioweapons, such as: malaria,dracunculiasis, filariasis, leishmaniasis, dengue, dengue hemorrhagic fever.
Capacity to produce bioweapons.Annual operating cost: $15 million dollars.

CIM


The Center for Molecular Immunology is a 15,000 square meter, two floor facility. Over 250 employees work at the Center, of which, 200 are scientists and engineers. It was built in 1994 at a cost of $10 million dollars. The ground floor includes development, pharmacology, and toxicology. The auxiliary technical services, and, secret research and development are on the second floor.

Their main research activities are on antibodies-hybridoma, molecular biology, celular immunology. CIM has laboratories equipped for cell culture, immunochemistry, and radiochemistry. Their work on the immune system is related to the development of stronger strains of virus an bacteria. The Center has the capacity to produce bio-weapons. Annual operating cost: $10 million dollars.

New inaugurated medical genetic center to research and develop with genes, DNA, Genome, and to make more resistant viruses, bacteria, and toxins. Cost: unknown so far. Operational cost: unknown so far.
Conclusions


Cuba's biotechnological capacity places it in group four of the World Health Organization's five categories. To reach group five, which is formed only by the eight top industrial economies, Cuba must produce at least 20% of the 260 basic materials. It regularly produces 18 percent of these and certainly has the scientific ability to produce the others with biotech methods.

Cuba also has 160 distinct research and development units and over 10,000 researchers through out the country.

According to Cuba’s own figures, as well as those provided by scientists and engineers, both from Cuba and other countries, the Cuban government has spent approximately $3,500 million dollars in this industry since 1986. The return of such investment has been approximately the sales of $200 million dollars in vaccines and medicines. The production for domestic use has been almost nothing, since the Cuban people lack the most basic medicines.
Summary of the Signout and Cyber Facilities of Cuba

I. BEJUCAL BASE

Located in Bejucal, La Habana, Cuba. 20 square mile area. Cost: $750 millions. Built by the Russians from 1994 to 1997. Workforce: 1,100 engineers, computer scientists, technicians, staff. Three groups of antennas/satellites. First group to listen to general USA telecommunications. Second group to listen to predesignated phones and computers. Third group with the voice recognition capacity. It has two HPCs given by PRC. Operated now with the cooperation of PRC’s military personnel. Utilizes PRC’s satellites. It can interfere USA computer networks. Annual operational cost: $150 million dollars.

II. PASEO BETWEEN 11 and 13, La Habana.

Dedicated to transmission and reception of radio waves. Cost: $60 million. Radio and TV Marti interference headquarters are located here. Capacity to interfere radio telecommunications in USA, mainly in airports and strategic places. Annual operational cost: $25 million dollars.

III. COJIMAR ELECTRONIC COMPLEX

Located in La Habana del Este. Cost: $20 million. Work on electronic experiments, such as HERF. Annual operational cost: $10 million dollars.

IV. WAJAY ELECTRONIC BASE

Located in Wajay, La Habana. Cost: $15 million. Weather change research. Radio interference. More than 100 very high antennas. Annual operational cost: $8 million.

V. SANTIAGO DE CUBA ELECTRONIC FARM

Very similar to the Wajay farm. Located in Santiago de Cuba, extreme east of Cuba. Cost: $10 million. 80 very high antennas. Annual operational cost: $8 million.

CUBA’S ELITE MILITARY GROUP: SPECIAL TROOPS

What are Cuba’s elite forces? Who commands them? Who trains them? Where is their training camp? What are the main missions they are prepared for? Since the mid 1980s, Cuba established in Los Palacios, Pinar del Río, in a region known as El Cacho, a special troop military training school.

Named Baraguá School, it is situated in a big valley, near the mountains of Pinar del Río. It is a very large training camp, with artificial lakes, and the most modern training technology. The School is exactly located where the first missiles were seen during the 1962 missile crisis. The De la Guardia brothers founded the School. It was under General José Luis Mesa, very close to Raúl Castro. General Mesa, 50, speaks fluent English, and is wellmannered. He was a veteran of Vietnam, as a young officer, and also of the African wars. He retired due to health problems. The daily operations are under Colonel Ramírez, Veteran of Angola, Vietnam, and other war places. Colonel Ramírez is an expert on this kind of special troop training. Presently they have assistant from special personnel from China and Vietnam. The special troop school has about a constant flow of 2500 to 3000 men in training.

Ranging from 18 to 35 years old, they are a breed apart - a cut above the rest. Unquestionable, they are one of the world’s finest unconventional warfare experts. Certainly, second only to the United States Special Troops in this Hemisphere. They are kept on an uncommon physical and mental caliber. Mature, highly skilled, and superbly trained. They are always ready to serve anywhere, at any time: Infiltrations, commando operations, biowarfare, cyber warfare, and espionage. Special troops are trained to deliver people, equipment, and weapons with surgical precision. They locate high-value, strategic, movable targets and they deliver firepower more accurately. They are trained to operate in small independent units.

They have advanced personal camouflage with enhanced protection against harsh environments and climatic conditions. Clothing will offer them individual body armor and safeguards against biological and chemical agents. They have helmets fitted with enhanced sensory head-up displays including thermal, image-intensified, and acoustic sensors. External and imbedded optics enable them to see long distances clearly without using handheld optical systems.


They have external skeletal systems that will improve individual skills, enabling special operators to move faster, jump farther, and lift more weight. Such enhanced physical attributes allow them to deliver more deadly force with greater accuracy and penetrating power. They also have miniaturized command, control, and communication functions, as well as embedded artificial intelligence for situational decision-making. In Baraguá School, Special troops are trained to perform the following missions:


Unconventional Warfare, UW: A broad spectrum of military operations conducted in politically sensitive territory or “enemy” held territory.
Including interrelated fields of guerrilla warfare, evasion and escape, subversion, sabotage.


Direct Action, DA: Either overt or cover action against an “enemy” force. Seize, damage, and destroy a target. Short duration, small scale offensive actions. Ambushes, direct assault tactics, emplace mines.

Special Reconnaissance, SR: Infiltration behind “enemy” lines. Collect meteorological, hydrographic, geographic, and demographic data.

Psychological Operations, PSYOP: Induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to Cuba objectives.
Influence emotions, motives, and behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. They also receive additional training and skills in freefall parachuting, underwater operations, target interdiction strategic reconnaissance, and operations and intelligence. Obviously, this group is strictly an offensive military group. Cuba is an island, and therefore has not borders to defend from neighboring countries. The most serious threats from the Special troops are: biowarfare operations, cyber warfare operations, infiltrations, commando attacks, kidnapping, espionage.

Annual operation cost: $15 million dollars.


DIRTY BOMBS

Of the countless scenarios of terrorist mayhem, none quickens the pulse quite like the menace of a nuclear bomb, and for good reason. A nuclear weapon embodies essentially everything a terrorist could hope for: the ability to kill at least tens of thousands of people at once, a fiery explosion that reverberates globally in images of death and destruction, and a lingering, lethal legacy, in the form of radioactive fallout.


Fortunately, most groups and terrorist nations are limited in their resources and lack the infrastructure to build a nuclear bomb. But, why build a bomb when there are far cheaper and simpler ways of waging nuclear terror?


There are two other possibilities that, for their comparative simplicity, would deliver much of the bang of a bomb. Flying a fully fueled jumbo jet into a nuclear reactor is one. The other is using radioactive nuclear materials to kill or sicken people or render tracts of land uninhabitable by, for example, scattering the materials with a conventional explosion.

Nuclear reactors are surrounded by a massive containment structure with concrete-and-steel walls more than a meter thick. These containments were designed to withstand earthquakes and extremely violent impacts, but not the sort a plunging jumbo jet would cause if fully loaded with fuel, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), in Vienna, Austria.

In a September 26 release the agency suggested that such an impact would not trigger a runaway nuclear reaction, because automatic safety systems would flood the reactor with water. A direct hit by a large, fueled aircraft might nevertheless breach the containment and damage the reactor, possibly causing a leak of radioactive steam and fallout.


The IAEA’s assessment predicts that the worst damage would be confined within 10 kilometers of the plant. Even so, dangerous levels of radioactivity would likely persist for 10 to 15 years.

Radiological dispersion devices - the poor man’s nuclear weapon - or dirty bomb, are another possibility likely to attract increasing interest from terrorists. Scattering radiation without a nuclear explosion, they are a near-term terrorist threat. Several nations - including a few sponsors of terrorism-have dabbled in dispersion devices. In the 1980s, Iraq produced and tested conventional bombs filled with radioactive materials-apparently, spent fuel from its research reactors, according to a 1991 report by the CIA. Cuba, by the way, has two research reactors.

Spent fuel is the obvious choice for the radioactive material in a terrorist device. Many tens of thousands of tons of it lie scattered around the world, including small accumulations in Iraq, Iran, Algeria, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, North Korea, and Cuba.

A single, half-ton spent fuel assembly from a reactor contains more than enough radioactivity to put a transportation terminal or some other strategic location out of action for months, or years, if the radioactivity is well dispersed.

The most accessible nuclear device for any terrorist would be a radiological dispersion bomb. This so-called ‘dirty bomb’ would consist of waste by-products from nuclear reactors wrapped in conventional explosives, which upon detonation would spew deadly radioactive particles into the environment.


This is an expedient weapon, in that radioactive waste material is relatively easy to obtain. Radioactive waste is widely found throughout the world, and in general is not as well guarded as actual nuclear weapons. In the United States, radioactive waste is located at more than 70 commercial nuclear power sites in 31 states. Enormous quantities also exist overseas — in Europe and Japan in particular. Tons of wastes are transported long distances, including between continents (Japan to Europe and back).

Since 1988 Cuba has had two experimental nuclear reactors in La Habana. Very low power. One is a 10 Watts. The other is referred to as zero Watts. They are used for nuclear medicine and research on nuclear biotechnology. But they do generate nuclear waste.

In Russia, security for nuclear waste is especially poor, and the potential for diversion and actual use by Islamic radicals has been shown to be very real indeed. In 1996, Islamic rebels from the break-away province of Chechnya planted, but did not detonate, such a device in Moscow’s Izmailovo Park to demonstrate Russia’s vulnerability.

This dirty bomb consisted of a deadly brew of dynamite and one of the highly radioactive by-products of nuclear fission — Cesium 137. Extreme versions of such gamma-ray emitting bombs, such as a dynamite-laden casket of spent fuel from a nuclear power plant, would not kill quite as many people as died on Sept. 11.

Worst-case calculation for an explosion in downtown Manhattan during noontime: more than 2,000 deaths and many thousands more suffering from radiation poisoning. Treatment of those exposed would be greatly hampered by inadequate medical facilities and training.

The United States has only a single hospital emergency room dedicated to treating patients exposed to radiation hazards, at Oak Ridge, Tenn. A credible threat to explode such a bomb in a U.S. city could have a powerful impact on the conduct of U.S. foreign and military policy, and could possibly have a paralyzing effect. Not only would the potential loss of life be considerable, but also the prospect of mass evacuation of dense urban centers would loom large in the minds of policy-makers.

The threat from radiological dispersion dims in comparison to the possibility that terrorists could build or obtain an actual atomic bomb. An explosion of even low yield could kill hundreds of thousands of people. A relatively small bomb, say 15-kilotons, detonated in Manhattan could immediately kill upwards of 100,000 inhabitants, followed by a comparable number of deaths in the lingering aftermath.

Fortunately, bomb-grade nuclear fissile material (highly enriched uranium or plutonium) is relatively heavily guarded in most, if not all, nuclear weapon states. Nonetheless, the possibility of diversion remains. Massive quantities of fissile material exist around the world. Sophisticated terrorists could fairly readily design and fabricate a workable atomic bomb once they manage to acquire the precious deadly ingredients (the Hiroshima bomb which used a simple gun-barrel design is the prime example).

Obviously, intelligence that helps localize the bomb is the main key to success. Just as obviously, intelligence of such quality is seldom available — as proven on Sept. 11. Such a search could be truly looking for a needle in a haystack, as detection normally would succeed only if the detectors come within a few feet or so of the hidden bomb.

Disabling a bomb is easy by comparison. A radiological bomb might be surrounded by a tent enclosure several tens of feet in height and width, then filled with a special foam to contain the deadly radioactive material (such as Cesium 137) if the bomb explodes during further defusing attempts. For a nuclear device there are a set of options available for disabling the weapon, including using explosives to wreck the bomb’s wiring, to prevent the triggering of the nuclear detonators. Because of the difficulty inherent in finding a nuclear weapon once it entered the country, near-term U.S. response efforts would be best focused on prevention and intervention to secure possible sources of nuclear terrorism.

A state sponsor of terrorism would simply give the spent fuel or perhaps even an entire dispersion device to terrorist groups. We must be on the alert, and start thinking from the terrorist’s perspective of maximizing the destruction.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/6/24/120529.shtml


364 posted on 06/24/2004 7:07:36 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: ExSoldier

It's terrible I know but I love the road warrior type cars. (all could probably have guessed that from my posts over the months) Choice number one in your post just doesn't do it for me.

I have really want a Hummer, but gas and cost of the vehicle are a huge drawback. So I will stick with my 4x4 Burban, I love it. Brought it with me from Wyoming where it was definitely needed!!


365 posted on 06/24/2004 7:07:51 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Freeping & Nascar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How Bad Have You Got It????)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

The Nascar race is in Sonoma California this Sunday. That is one of two rare road courses that they run. It is great fun to watch. Ya gotta love horsepower, loud engines, cute guys, wrecks (sometimes) without injury hopefully and great competition!!

You should try it. We watch the race and run the FR Nascar thread at the same time (lots of great folks on that thread giving play by play and many additional fun comments). I transcribe Dale Earnhardt Jr's radio for the thread. He's great fun to listen to during the race. ;-)


366 posted on 06/24/2004 7:15:00 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Freeping & Nascar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How Bad Have You Got It????)
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To: ExSoldier

I think the date corresponds to the level of Osama's involvement in planning these attacks.

A few weeks ago, something on one of the news reports stuck with me. Can't tell you which station, just that the person was discussing the info gleaned from Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Khalid was quoted as saying that Osama *REALLY* *REALLY* wanted the attack on America to be on the 7th month anniversary of the USS Cole bombing. That would have been about 5/12/2001. (Cole bombing was 10/12/2000)

The Cole bombing was Osama's pride until of course...9/11.

If Osama is planning, then I think we'll see either 10/12 (Cole bombing) or 9/11 again.

***Note 10/12 = month + month + 2days
***Also 9/11 = month + month + 2days

If Osama is not calling the shots, then they'll either "honor" what they think Osama would have "liked" (Spain 3/11) or create a new "important" date.

So: 7/11, 8/11, 9/11, 10/12 or 11/13 (Riyad army base anniversary)

If the Zarqawi gang create their own, it'll be harder to figure out.


367 posted on 06/24/2004 7:15:47 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: milkncookies

Whassat?


368 posted on 06/24/2004 7:19:18 PM PDT by Velveeta
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Stealth FIghters being deployed to Western Pacific

Alamogordo Daily News
New Mexico

http://www.alamogordonews.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=277&num=4427

Stealths scheduled for deployment
By Michael Shinabery/Staff Writer
Jun 22, 2004, 11:08 am


HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE — When the Nighthawks fly out of Holloman Air Force Base, the world watches.

After all, in March 2003, during Operation Iraqi Freedom, the fighter jets dropped the first laser-guided bombs against dictator Saddam Hussein, who subsequently fled and was later captured.

Now, according to Holloman Air Force Base Public Affairs, the 49th Fighter Wing at Holloman has “received a deployment order to support the United States national defense objectives in the Western Pacific region.” Planned to be deployed are “some” of the F-117A Nighthawk stealth fighters, a Holloman news release states, along with “support personnel.” All are “preparing to depart” the base. (snip)
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You will note the newspaper article does not say where the Nighthawk Fighters are being deployed, only to the Western Pacific. That should be a limited area but in today’s world, who knows.

This combined with the deployment of almost all our operational Naval Forces, some of which are undermanned; to the Pacific and parts unknown raise the possibilities of military action taking place in the near future. Due to the extreme cost of keeping so many war machines in the field, war could come sooner rather than later.

Where is anyone’s guess, but you have Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, and there is always North Korea perched on they’re nuclear tree like a vulture waiting on something to die. Take your pick!

There is also the redeployment of our troops from S. Korea to the Middle East and rumors of more troop deployments, though this writer has not been able to pin any of these other rumors down as of yet.

“And there shall be wars and rumors of wars.”

“For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom” The actual Greek word for nation as used in the Bible is “ethnos” meaning ethnic. We are seeing many ethnic wars, most religious in nature, at this date with more to come.

It appears war is coming as if it were an avalanche someone cast a snowball into starting the process. One does not amass armies and navies such as we see world wide without the prospect of using them. No good will come of this and if it is war on a grand scale, you can depend upon a billion or more to die. As world trade comes to a screeching halt, oil trade possibly ending in the Middle East, food production being held in reserve for warring nations, you can bet the starvation horse of the Apocalypse will be mounted and ridden fourth.

One of the silliest most ignorant thoughts I have ever heard expressed is that the 400 plus different ethnic, language groups, cultural, religious, and social groups of people in the world will unite and gather by the campfire, roast marshmallows, and sing Kumbaya. It can happen, but only by extreme force. War is coming whether we want it or not, it is out of our hands as it has always been.


369 posted on 06/24/2004 7:27:31 PM PDT by Mossad1967
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Where are the rift fever outbreaks occurring...Africa?(where one would expect?)


370 posted on 06/24/2004 7:28:06 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: WestCoastGal
Let me tell you, I got a flyer about two months ago advertising something called "HUMMER HAPPENINGS" and I discovered a rare event where I would be invited along with any three other people who wanted to join me, to spend FOUR HOURS driving a Hummer H2 offroad through a specially constructed course. I registered (FREE) and went. They had a sumptious lunch, and a class on how to drive the vehicle of road and then we each got out very own Hummer H2 and a two way radio so the Hummer "Wranglers" could coach us over the obstacles. Let me tell you, that afternoon beat any driving experience I have ever had. They constructed a course using bulldozers and earth movers that was on a par with anything I ever saw in the military! Vehicles were all fully optioned out. The course I did was for "prospective" Hummer owners and is a pretty rare thing, I gather. Most are done for current Hummer owners and are a much bigger event. But....WOW!!! We surmounted 16 inch vertical walls, side slopes of 50 degrees. hills that were so steep I only saw blue sky until I was over the crest. I tell you, folks get the H2 for it's "Macho" feel, even women but I guarantee you 99% of them will never take it off road and 99.999% have no idea of the true capabilities of the vehicle. If I could I'd get one in a heartbeat. But I still believe that for true long term survival, the Sportsmobile is still the way to go. You have a range, toilet, sleeping accomodations and 4x4 that can't be beat. You can also get fuel tanks that would give you a 1100 mile range, on one fillup.
371 posted on 06/24/2004 7:29:34 PM PDT by ExSoldier (.45 Auto: The Original "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: MamaDearest

I am an SUV owner (Toyota Highlander) and no offense taken.

Many have them who don't need them. And I do have a bit of a problem with that. I feel that people should own and drive vehicles that are appropriate to their circumstances and needs. We live two miles from a paved and maintained road.
During winter, I really need something to get me through the snowdrifts. Somtimes, this time of year, our little gravel road gets totally washed out from the storms and I have to go "off roading" a bit to get into town.

That said, I really wish we could reduce our oil reliance, espcially from the MidEast. Our whole economy is based on cheap oil. This country would collapse in a hurry if we didn't have it. I've spent alot of time in Europe, where gas is terribly expensive. But nearly everyone there lives within a mile of their work, and they can ride bicycles. Not so here. Mass transit is available in the large cities, but not here in the heartland. People have to drive to get to work....often long distances.

Our country has not built a new refinery in 30 years. The oil is available if we could only take advantage of this resource by getting the Sierra Club, et al, off our backs. This dependency we have on Saudi Arabian oil is a big problem, politically and economically.

Oops....kinda got off on a tangent there....sorry 'bout that.


372 posted on 06/24/2004 7:35:11 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks (Once a Texan.....always a Texan!)
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To: ExSoldier

"I just stand around looking helpless."

That will end when the bills come in. LOL Congrats and have a great time.


373 posted on 06/24/2004 7:41:19 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks (Once a Texan.....always a Texan!)
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To: freeperfromnj
"FBI WARNS OF FLOATING BOMB DEVICES"

And all those cities we listed on TM that are on the water....
374 posted on 06/24/2004 7:42:12 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Velveeta
Interesting reasoning. I don't think we will see a post election attack as the initial strike. But if the lection results in a Bush victory (PLEASE LORD!) there might be immediate follow-on strikes to chastise us for our diligence. I'd anticipate something in July or August for a first strike.
375 posted on 06/24/2004 7:42:42 PM PDT by ExSoldier (.45 Auto: The Original "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: ExSoldier

THAT sounds like a real blast, I'm jealous. ;-)

I like the part on the Sportsmobile about being able to sleep & cook in it, and have a bathroom in addition to 1100 miles on one fillup.

Great escape vehicle if needed, just put a machine gun on top and you're set. (oops did I say that?) Great for camping too.


376 posted on 06/24/2004 7:43:14 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (Freeping & Nascar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How Bad Have You Got It????)
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To: All

Listening to Loftus tonight.

He said that the bombings in Turkey today were AQ doing a dress rehersal for the NATO Summit (June 28th-29th).

Prayers for our President.

NATO Summit and Iraqi handover all beginnig next week.


377 posted on 06/24/2004 7:43:48 PM PDT by Mossad1967
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To: freeperfromnj

a while ago, Loftus had said that AQ may have gotten their hands on some North Korean anti shipping mines.


378 posted on 06/24/2004 7:44:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: milkncookies
"J-U-L-Y=4 letters + 4th =8"

Bingo...and Karzai will be in Philly to receive the Liberty Medal.
379 posted on 06/24/2004 7:49:08 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Mossad1967


Saudi Security Knew Johnson's Location 3 Days Before Execution, But Did Nothing

Saudi opposition sources said Saudi security commanders knew of the location of Al Qaida chief Abul Aziz Al Muqrin at least three days before he executed a U.S. hostage. The Washington-based Saudi Institute said Saudi authorities knew of the whereabouts of the Al Qaida cell but decided not to move until Johnson was executed.

http://www.bushcountry.org/index.htm


380 posted on 06/24/2004 7:49:33 PM PDT by Honestly (There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.)
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