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Mark Steyn: Vote 'No' for a federal Europe
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 06/22/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 06/21/2004 4:41:37 PM PDT by Pokey78

Business as usual among the Europhiles. "The flurry of weekend opinion polling," quoth the Guardian, "has revealed a British nation that is strongly opposed to the European Union constitution and also deeply ignorant about it."

Alas, the stupidity of the people is an abiding problem of democracy. Fortunately, the EU has come up with a set of institutions all but entirely insulated from it. At least for the moment.

But for the purposes of argument, assume the Guardian is right, and the people are idiots. The paper argues that the electorate's concerns - "Many also fear that the British passport will now be replaced by an EU one", etc - can be assuaged by paying closer attention to the fine print on page 239 sub-section XVIII paragraph D(iii)e.

Maybe so. But I think in this instance the best example is that of hardcore Europhile Kenneth Clarke and his famous boast that he'd never read the Maastricht Treaty. The average non-Guardian-reading moron may not have read the European Constitution but suppose he's figured out the salient fact about it: that it's the legal framework for a new state. What else does he need to know?

When it comes to national identity, one is entitled to a measure of ignorance. If you're a Peruvian and you're happy being a Peruvian, you're unlikely to be impressed by the Guardian arguing that that's just because you haven't read all the sub-clauses of the Bolivian constitution. Identity is primal, not a matter of footnotes.

The knuckle-dragging ignoramuses have figured out that, if this new body is full of offices and institutions - president, foreign minister, citizenship, etc - traditionally reserved for states, it's a reasonable supposition that a state is what it intends to be.

In that sense, all the things the Guardian says the morons are wrong about, they're right about. For example, those passports: given that passports now come in standardised EU form, and entitle the bearer to free movement, residency and voting rights within the EU, they're already de facto EU passports.

They may have different coats of arms on the front, but essentially they're the same document - just as the fellows at Columbia Records used to joke they'd issued the Johnny Mathis Christmas album in a dozen colours. Different sleeve, same record: that's the EU passport.

Even in its attempts to reassure, the Guardian can't help acknowledging Euro-creep: "Many people believe, for instance, that the constitution gives the EU immediate power to increase taxes in Britain - a wholly unfounded belief."

"Immediate" power? What about, say, 2012? And, even if Tony Blair and other enthusiasts insist the EU is not a state, the final word may not be left to them. We're told that Britain's Security Council seat will be unaffected. Who says? Sooner or later, the rest of the world will start to wonder why the EU's foreign minister has two of the five permanent votes at the UN.

For 30 years, as the EU has acquired the organs of a state entity, the argument of British Europhiles to the people has been: who ya gonna believe?

Me or your lyin' eyes? Say what you like about those shifty duplicitous Continentals, but on this issue it's successive British governments that have been shifty and Monsieur du Plicitous who's been admirably straightforward.

The new constitution, declared the Belgian prime minister last week, is "the capstone of a European federal state".

Why can't the British Prime Minister be that honest? He could easily say: "Yes, it's a federal state. And Britain's created more federal states than anyone on the planet - Canada, Australia, India, the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland. whoops, that one didn't work out so good, but you get the cut of my jib.

For two centuries, we've been the one-stop shop for all your federation needs. Today, thriving British federations can be found on every continent, except our own. So who better than us to build the federal state Europe's crying out for? We did it to New Brunswick, now we're doing it to old Brunswick, as Donald Rumsfeld would say."

But Mr Blair can't even make that argument. There's a fascinating book by Alberto Alesina and Enrico Spolaore called The Size of Nations, in which the authors note that, of the 10 richest countries in the world, only four have populations above one million: America (260 million people), Switzerland (seven million), Norway (four million) and Singapore (three million).

All the rest are small jurisdictions with few people. Small nations, they say, are more cohesive and have less need for buying off ethnic and regional factions. America is the exception that proves the rule, because it's a highly decentralised federation. As Messrs Alesina and Spolaore put it, if America were as centrally governed as France, it would break up. Yet that, in a nutshell, is what the new Europe will be: a jurisdiction the size of America, but as centralised as France.

Fact: right now, even before this new constitution takes effect, the state of New Hampshire has more control over its tax rates than the United Kingdom.

Fact: right now, the Province of Quebec has more control over its immigration policy than the United Kingdom.

Thus, even if you were in favour of submerging Britain within a pan-European state, the only pan-European state on offer is doomed to fail.

So, if you believe in the British nation state, you should oppose this new constitution. If you believe in a viable European federal state, you should also oppose this new constitution.

That doesn't leave much except a pragmatic argument: Britain can't make it on her own, any port in a storm, etc. That line worked when Ted Heath was in office. Today, the sunniest optimists project the European economy to grow at no more than about 1.5 per cent this year, or about a third of America's growth rate. And, given the EU's deathbed demographics, that gap is only going to widen. Britain's GDP per capita is now higher than France or Germany's, and its unemployment rate is half.

It's not the British people but their EUtopian elites who are deeply ignorant - of comparative data, historical precedent and basic arithmetic. The reality for Britain in Europe is simple: united we'll fall, divided we might stand a sporting chance.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: eu; europeanunion; marksteyn; marksteynlist
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1 posted on 06/21/2004 4:41:37 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

2 posted on 06/21/2004 4:42:19 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
I want to be reincarnated as Mark Steyn.
3 posted on 06/21/2004 4:45:42 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: Pokey78

This should be required reading for every resident of the UK.


4 posted on 06/21/2004 4:46:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78; Eurotwit
Thanks much for the "q"less post.

Yo! eurotwit. Here ya go.

FMCDH(BITS)

5 posted on 06/21/2004 4:55:42 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: Pokey78

Rule of thumb factoid....

If France is in favor of any measure.....
It is bad for you.....

Semper Fi


6 posted on 06/21/2004 4:57:17 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Pokey78

PERFECTEMUNDO!


7 posted on 06/21/2004 4:57:50 PM PDT by RobFromGa (The Four Pillars of America; Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan)
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To: Pokey78
But, the new federation will have a bureaucracy measured in millions of governmental employees. The easy living, great pay, greater benefits and bribes beyond belief for those English speakers must be tempting. Or, at least, tempting until the federation decides that there are simply too many official languages and trims English from the list.
8 posted on 06/21/2004 5:01:29 PM PDT by Tacis (,)
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To: Pokey78

Awesome.


9 posted on 06/21/2004 5:02:33 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: Pokey78

thanks pokey78


10 posted on 06/21/2004 5:03:36 PM PDT by rudypoot (Rat line = Routes that foreign fighters use to enter Iraq.)
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To: Tacis

But, the new federation will have a bureaucracy measured in millions of governmental employees. The easy living, great pay, greater benefits and bribes beyond belief for those English speakers must be tempting. Or, at least, tempting until the federation decides that there are simply too many official languages and trims English from the list.

WAY TOO FUNNEY. LOL.


11 posted on 06/21/2004 5:05:13 PM PDT by NathanR (California Si! Aztlan NO!)
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To: Pokey78
It's not the British people but their EUtopian elites who are deeply ignorant - of comparative data, historical precedent and basic arithmetic. The reality for Britain in Europe is simple: united we'll fall, divided we might stand a sporting chance.

Mark Steyn is absolutely right. Socialists of the world thrill to see the fall of the US, the fall of England, and the fall of Israel. What will take place then? "Global control". And the major, ugly, noncivil squabbling will begin. All arsenal kept carefully hidden will out under this "socialist" regime. There are those who refuse to actually do a day's work -- and these wish to be living off the gratis of the working. Permanently. I do not wish to see England fall.

12 posted on 06/21/2004 5:05:31 PM PDT by Alia (California -- It's Groovy! Baby!)
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To: Pokey78
"if America were as centrally governed as France, it would break up"

And, that, in a nutshell, is precisely what is going to happen: not too many years down the road, the "new, improved,centralized" Europe will be headed for massive civil unrest and possibly, a new "set" of regional conflicts.

13 posted on 06/21/2004 5:06:18 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Pokey78

"Monsieur du Plicitous"

LMAO!!!!!!

I can't stand it!!


14 posted on 06/21/2004 5:09:04 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: Pokey78
Anyone who wants to see the absurdity of the EU should check out the following links.

Grocer fights metric laws
Grocer loses metric battle

15 posted on 06/21/2004 5:12:03 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: MadIvan

Ivan, I always thought that Britain's (or England's) cardinal rule of foreign policy for centuries was to prevent any single power from dominating the continent. Doesn't the EU qualify?

I find it interesting and not at all coincidental that two of the four nations Mark lists as rich and over 1 million population are European nations outside the EU! How is this possible? Aren't European nations outside the EU doomed?


16 posted on 06/21/2004 5:13:28 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: Pokey78

Thank you, thank you for the ping-ping!


17 posted on 06/21/2004 5:32:23 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Kerry and Gephardt: Missing over 90% of their work and still getting paid. Fire 'em!)
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To: Pokey78

the idea of a federated europe is would work if the french,belgians and germans didnt demand to be in control.

lets hope they continue being so greedy, I have no wish for europe to rise.

The EU will tend to be doomed by the same greedy nationalism that has always kept europe at odds


18 posted on 06/21/2004 5:38:43 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: NathanR
...until the federation decides that there are simply too many official languages and trims English from the list.

It's very unlikely that will happen, however. With the recent expansion, English is even more dominant in EU institutions than it was before. Poles, Estonians, Slovaks, etc are not to keen to speak either French or German, especially given the unlikelihood of French or Germans speaking their language. Some parts of the EU Commission attempt to enforce French speaking, but I understand these regimes never succeed (the French blame America of course).

You are spot on, however, about the easy Eurocrat life. There was a recent expose about waste in the EU Parliament. This could help explain the recent gains of the Euroskeptics in the EU Parliament elections.

19 posted on 06/21/2004 5:41:41 PM PDT by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
that two of the four nations Mark lists as rich and over 1 million population are European nations outside the EU!

Norway does, however, conform to all EU law and rules since it is a member of the EEA (European Economic Area). Therefore, Norway has to follow all the rules, without any representation in the EU. Their choice.

20 posted on 06/21/2004 5:43:58 PM PDT by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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