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What children? Gay marriage is the next step down the road to demographic death. I can guarantee that in Holland under Sharia law there will be no more gay marriage.
I can't say that Gay marriage was the root cause for this.
Consider, for example, I live with a girlfriend (we either have, or do not have kids) and I chose to move on. Without marriage, there are no legal loopholes. I just move on with my life. With marriage, we now begin discussions concerning alimony, my house is no longer 100% mine, my income is not 100% mine, my possessions are no longer mine.
So, why would any sane man get married?
I think the Dutch are being intolerant, since they don't yet sanction polygamous marriages. If two men and three women want to enter into a living relationship, who are we to say that there is something wrong with that?
EXACTLY what I told Kati yesterday - counterfeit marriage devalues real marriage just as counterfeit money devalues real money.
Oh, yea, another pundit proliferating Stanley Kurtz' junk science.
I realize that Holdar was presenting a hypothetical question, and that he would not be so irresponsible or immature as to live with a "girlfriend" and have children, sign mortgages, lease cars, buy insurance and invest jointly.
Only a moment's consideration of these circumstances would reveal the disarray this would cause in a civilization so irrational and muddled.
We all sign contracts for a myriad of transactions...and we live up to them or we resolve them in court.
I cannot imagine making the most serious commitment I could make in my business or personal life without a contract. Sure it would be fun to get laid for awhile, until the new fades - just like with a car - and then move on like a dog looking for one more bitch in heat.
Do you not see how this reduces us to the level of the most basic animal practices?
I am no saint. But I commited to a girl, told her then and tell her now:
"I will NEVER leave. Our marriage will not be dissolved...unless my life or the childrens' lives are in danger. (And even then divorce would be the last act.)
For a stable society, I believe it is the only way. And again, for a stable society, these marital transactions should only be between a male and female.
Two men or two women may form business partnerships. This is recognized by law. However these business partnerships should never be recognized as a social or religious contract, accepted by society as marriage.
Fundamentally, the social disintegration that follows the abandonment of traditional marriage is a product of rebelling against God's clearly ordained plan.
By recognizing homosexual "marriage" we'd be asking for chaos. And chaos is what we'll get.
We in America have zero right to speak having one of the worst divorce rates in the industrialized world. Maybe Italians or the Irish sould stand up for marriage - but we lost our right long ago on this subject. = rant end.
Reading all the denials on here is sickening. Good thing the denyers won't be having children to mess up.
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The Dutch are scum with legalised drugs, gayy "marriages", abortions (and an Abortion ship trying to murder babies all over the world), euthanasia. If you ever get a chance to go to Amsterdam, don't -- it's a dirty scuzzy place and it's main square, called the Damm square lives up to its name
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The homosexual marriage advocates' true objective has never been the legalization homosexual marriage, but rather the elimination of heterosexual marriage.