Posted on 06/19/2004 6:40:18 AM PDT by bayourod
Juneteenth is to the black community what St. Patricks Day is to the Irish and Cinco De Mayo is to the Hispanics.
It celebrates the day that slaves in Galveston learned that they had been freed two years earlier.
It's an official state holidfay in several states, including New Jersey, There will be local celebrations at churches, community centers, parks, etc...all over the country as well as about a dozen foreign countries; California ,South Carolina ...
Check you local newspaper or call a church to find out where your voters will be celebrating. If tickets or required or plate dinners are sold, buy enough for your entragage plus pay for extras that the sponsors can give to those what might could use them. Even if you don't pick up any votes, they will defenitely remember that you showed respect for their history. It may help after you win.
Recipes for those with bad blood"
The same happened in many areas of the South. White farmer owners who were approached by (their) former slaves to establish some kind of share cropping arrangement were "firmly discouraged", to put it diplomatically, by occupying Federal forces. Among the tactic used where to lean on the white farmers, and, with the add of Negro quislings, to holding the "guilty" ex-slave up to ridicule and pressure from his peers.
The reason given for this is fear that the ex-slave owners will seduce -- through fair means or foul-- the helpless Negro back into slavery. The actual reason ,of course, had to do with money (keep the defeated out of commerical competition) and a powder base (Negroes may have counted only as 3/5 but there were an awful lot of blacks in the South.)
Well said. I grew up in MS so I know what you mean. Many of my greatgrandfathers and 1 gggrandfather fought in that war. One was so old that he was unable to fight so he made shoes for the soldiers. He lived to be about 93. We are very proud of our heritage.
Don't remember reading about Robert E. Lee in Gone with the Wind. Like it or not, he was anti-slavery and did not support succession. His loyalty was to his state which is why he headed up the confederate army. It was Lincoln who suspended the constitution during war BTW and went through 3 generals to finally defeat Lee.
Slavery was not an institution of our making; it was foisted upon us by our colonial sponsors who left us to deal with it as best we could.
We have our squabbles, like any family; but when needs be we come together as we always have for 400 years and fight-side-by-side just as we are today against the Islomofacists who want to kill or convert all of us.
On St. Patricks day we're all Irish, and on Junteenth we're all freedmen. So fire up the grill, put the beans on to soak, blanch the collard greens, cool down the beer, dust off the jazz albums and lets celebrate what a great nation we live in.
I'll go along with you on the celebration part, but please don't suggest on this forum that Robert E. Lee was a traitor and needed to be executed.
How did he feel about secession?
Amen, brother!
Made my blackberry cobbler last night!
http://www.cinnamonhearts.com/junteenth04.htm
Thanks!
It's my mothers as well.
Juneteenth is a very positive celebration...and as opposed to other holidays that celebrate individuals, this is a true celebration of individual freedom.
Like it or not, he was anti-slavery and did not support succession.>>>
He made prolonged seccession possible and prolonged slavery by two years. Had he fought for the flag that trained him the war would have been over in 1863. If he privately believed otherwise, then that only makes him a moral coward *as well as* a traitor.
Thanks MamaB, I had eight ancestors that I know of who fought for the South, 4 lived and 4 died.
Oh really? Well what does that make Lincoln suspending the US Constitution and crushing states rights? As I recall, wasn't it Lincoln that freed the slaves? Emancipation Proclimation signed in September 1862 and didn't go into effect until Jan 1st 1863. Why didn't he free them in 1861? Lee was defending the Constitution as it was written. Lincoln pissed on it. Tell me who is the traitor to the founding fathers and this country's laws! It wasn't Lee! Slavery was legal!
'Junteenth ? Damn, they had Ebonics in 1865...
The EP did not apply to any of the Union states, nor to Tennessee, nor to any of the counties of Louisiana or Virginia then occupied by Union forces.
As a war measure (of questionable legality ) it ceased to have any effect upon termination of the state of war. The EP never had any effect on the slaves in the Union states such as Delaware. The slaves were really freed by the 13th Amendment.
At the time of the issuance of the EP, the London Spectator observed that "The principle is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States."
Slavery was legal>>
So was Genocide in Nazi Germany. And those who supported Genocide in Nazi Germany and those who perpetuated Slavery in the south were moral equals.
Your silence hereafter is expected.
If the war had been very short, or if there had been no war at all, it's very possible that the Emancipation Proclamation would never have been issued.
Lincoln was a pragmatist. Do you think that we would have been unwilling to put continuation of slavery on the bargaining table as a condition for cessation of hostilities? Lincoln had already said as much -- his focus was on preserving the Union at all costs, not ending slavery.
The slaves in the South lived, which is more than can be said about the majority of people the Nazis sent to concentration camps. The slaves also were better fed than their cousins back in Africa (and better fed than many European peasants, which is why so many came over).
If there had been no slavery, their descendents would have still been in Africa, with all that implies, as there would have been no incentive to bring them over
Everybody on this forum is a descendent of slaves, if you look back far enough. As an Italian, I've probably got a lot of Roman slaves in my lineage. Plus peasants, throughout history, lived under conditions not much better than American slaves, and had as few rights as far as their Lords and Masters were concerned
In short, get over it.
[RBJ] So was Genocide in Nazi Germany.
Then Stuckart on the meaning of Law: "The Nuremberg Laws are very specific. ... I find the plan unworkable. I find the plan personally insulting in that I have given years to codifying the laws.... My work, these laws, any legal code worthy of the name restricts the enforcers of it as well as its subjects. There are some things you cannot do." Heydrich: "As you see it." Stuckart, lecturing: "To kill them casually without regard for the law, martyrs them which will be their victory. Sterilization recognizes them as a part of our species but prevents them from being a part of our race. They will disappear soon enough. And we will have acted in defense of our race and of our species and by the law." Then less: "I'm pointing out the difficulty of casting every Jew ... into the sausage machine, and if that's the plan, I'm asking that some legal framework be built." Kritzinger at one point in support: "He believes in the supremacy of law. ... You accept casually the obliteration of legal distinctions and the use of extreme, inconceivable measures. ... That is where we have come." Heydrich, exasperated: "I can't give a damn rule for everything."But all of this protest is posture. The proof lies not in their revealing themselves as cowards in collapsing before Heydrich's threats, but in their refusing to acknowledge that their National Socialist commitments -- to the Nuremberg Laws, to the Führer, to political millenarianism -- meant the death of law and of their professional commitments, save each as private conceit or else, as here, as public petulance. In this, by contrast, Heydrich is wise. To Kritzinger: "This is the moment to be practical until such time as Germany can afford your philosophy, which is what? Hound them, impoverish them, exploit them, imprison them, just do not kill them and you are God's noblest of men. I find that truly remarkable." To all a reminder of Führerprinzip: "I would like to remind all of you that our Führer enunciates the goal. Our task, to turn his vision to reality. We can debate the 'how'; we can debate the 'when' up to a point; we cannot debate the 'if'. ... His word is above all written law."
His word is above all written law."
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Precisely the relationship between slaveowner and slave.
I stand by what I said.
The slaves in the South lived, which is more than can be said about the majority of people the Nazis sent to concentration camps.>>>
Uh, study the survival rate of the Middle Passage, then revise your text. I'll grant you an extension of another week before your revised paper is due. Please keep in mind that your paper is worth 100% of your grade in this course.
Genocide? I seem to remember that 13% of the population is Black. Wanna compare that to the Indians? You can't refute that Lincoln pissed on the Constitution and that Lee was defending it right or wrong!. Your ignorance is staggering! Go ahead change the subject now. No health care for slaves? Reperations? Stick to the original point and prove me wrong!
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