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1 posted on 06/18/2004 6:10:07 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: seamole; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 
2 posted on 06/18/2004 6:11:00 AM PDT by Tolik
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The complete title:

Let Europe be Europe
You won’t be our friends? Fine, protect yourselves and at least be neutral.
 

3 posted on 06/18/2004 6:13:15 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

The man is a true treasure, like Peggy Noonan and Mark Steyn. I eagerly anticipate each column...


4 posted on 06/18/2004 6:16:23 AM PDT by Keith (IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES)
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To: Tolik

Unfortunately for us, Europe can't protect itself, and if they go too far under, it hurts our interests, too. They also won't stay neutral because some of those countries (especially France) are too arrogant to admit that they have ceased to be relevant and have not been anything approaching a superpower for a really long time.


5 posted on 06/18/2004 6:19:51 AM PDT by susiek
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To: Tolik

If, for example France falls to muslim terrorists, what happens to their nuclear weapons, Mr. Hansen?


6 posted on 06/18/2004 6:43:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Tolik
Thanks for beating quidnunc to it.
:O)
9 posted on 06/18/2004 7:03:37 AM PDT by metesky (You will be diverse, just like us.)
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To: Tolik
Germans? They're the ones who allow their gay soldiers to hump away in the barracks. Other Euro militaries are similarly degenerate and puny.
10 posted on 06/18/2004 7:09:57 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: Tolik
I used to love everything French.

Heck, I'm still taking French lessons (don't ask why, I like my teacher, he's a friend) but now I'm starting to hope that some Islamofascists hijack an Air France 747 and fly it into the Eiffel Tower and drop the sucker over the Seine.

THAT would wake up the Euro chickens.

11 posted on 06/18/2004 7:25:19 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: Tolik

Magnificent analysis. Right now we are supporting their socialist pipe dreams by picking up their tab for defense. They would like us better if they were on their own--and needed our help in a pinch.


15 posted on 06/18/2004 7:56:52 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Tolik
Imagine what would have happened if Paris or Berlin had mobilized to preempt Milosevic while the United States refused — claiming with Russia in the Security Council that such unilateral, non-U.N. approved action was brinkmanship of the worst sort — and then strong-armed other NATO countries to oppose European efforts.

Er, sorry to interrupt, but this ALREADY happened in 1956 when France, Israel and the United Kingdom intervened militarily in Egypt where terrorist-backing President Nasser seized the international Suez Canal.

Eisenhower DID strong-arm Paris and London even as allied troops had already stormed Port-Saïd, and he also said the United States would not neither help nor defend France nor Great Britain as the Soviets threatened to attack both countries...
22 posted on 06/18/2004 10:27:46 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Tolik

Bump!


23 posted on 06/18/2004 11:36:55 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Tolik
The ethicists of Europe don't want to see success in Iraq, since it might be interpreted as a moral refutation of their own opposition to Saddam's removal...Liberating Iraq, shutting down Baathist terror, and establishing consensual rule, after all, was a dangerous — and mostly Anglo-American — idea, antithetical to all the Europeans have become.

bump

30 posted on 06/18/2004 1:56:07 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Blue Highway

VDH


32 posted on 06/18/2004 9:14:32 PM PDT by perfect stranger
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To: Tolik; IncPen; Nailbiter
But isn't the Atlantic Alliance critical to American security? Sadly, no. Right now it de facto does not exist and we are in no greater danger due to its absence. Instead, the key is not to force Europe to be an ally, but to ensure by our absence that it is a friend — or at least a Swiss-like neutral — in the present fight against terrorists and their sponsors.

Truly the heart of the matter....

39 posted on 06/21/2004 11:03:58 AM PDT by BartMan1
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