Posted on 06/17/2004 5:17:11 PM PDT by mlmr
I have four children in three different schools. In the past week I have talked to a number of teachers and administrators about different issues pertaining to next semester. I have been told three times so far that the school cannot manage A or B anymore becasue Individual Student Goals(or whatever the technical name is) cannot be honored because of the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT. One called it Bush's NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. Tell me, is this a national trend? Those of you with children in public schools, are you hearing that the Bush plan is hurting your child? Or otherss?
Does your son have a disability?
Look, let's make something very, very clear. The IDEA is the law. What you think is right or wrong sitting there in your home is irrelevant. If your child was affected in this way, you would naturally want the best possible care, not a supervised daycare for a 17 year old. These parents and children deserve the same respect. None of these children asked to be born with a disability.
Well the Germans solved this problem quite handily by euthanizing the mentally retarded. All they had to pay for was the shot that killed them. Much, much cheaper.
WOW. We went from safe, daycare to executions. So if we dont do it YOUR way, if instead we provide basic care instead of make-work programs, if we look at reality instead of counting micrometers as if they matter, then we are the same as Nazi executors!! My goodness...
BTW, what you are describing would actually be more expensive than what is happening now.
Don't know either .. I also send my kids to catholic schools
But I do remember years back the public schools claimed they had to do cut backs because there wasn't enough money
I believed they did it to get parents mad to push politicains to give the schools more money .. only things is ... the schools never got better
Under President Bush, federal education spending increased 59.8% over what it was in 2000.
What you are talking about is warehousing, and that helps practically no one. Many low functioning kids can learn and need to be taught.
I agree. Low funcitioning chidren who can learn need to learn basic skills of living. But they dont need to go to school to learn that.
...have been in grad school for two years...
your answer, THEY SLAM THE ACT AND HIM EVERY CHANCE THEY GET.
No, we are paying for that personal care in the classrooms. I think that it would be less expensive to move it all out of the classrooms and schools and place it in a daycare (if needed) environment.
I am glad to hear your perspective. I didn't believe it for a minute. But others might.... and I somehow wondered whether it is a concerted effort.
No, they don't. The federal government doesn't send any teachers into a school district. The district itself moves it's own teachers around so that the failing campus has a different set of teachers. The administrators also get moved elsewhere in the district"
Thank you for correcting the myth. Some misconceptions about NCLB that are being posted on this thread are just overboard.
Do you think that they will close the schools and put in vouchers instead?
Thanks!
This act was jointly sponsored by Ted Kennedy, for crying out loud! Any stick to blame Bush will do.
I think MLMR has a good idea. A school where everyone is trained and focused on teaching the learning disabled is much better than forcing everyone who is "normal" to put up with the coincidental disruptions that are involved with the learning disabled and troubled.
Institutions are institutions whether they concentrate on the learning disabled or are open to everyone.
The 'no child left behind' program has unfortunately become a pi$$ing contest between GWB and the NEA at the expense of all kids in the government schools.
Let me say first of all that I am a school administrator and a staunch conservative. I have only posted on FR once before but I read the board everyday. NCLB was a massive attempt by the federal government to take control of public education. This was done in spite of the fact that federal courts have consistently ruled that schools are the responsibility of the states. Bush and Kennedy worked together to pass NCLB. At its core is the liberal idea of egalitarianism or equal outcomes. As conservatives, I believe, we should fight for local control with no money or requirements from the federal government. Every kid deserves to go to a great school that endeavors to reinforce local values and that provides every child an equal opportunity for a great education. Our teachers aren't liberals but mostly conservatives who work hard everyday to teach kids under difficult circumstances. I do think there is a little too much generalization when discussions of publics schools come up on this board.
A building would have to be constructed with handicap access and equipment. In addition, the school would need to bus the children to the school. If the ride was very long, the bus would need 1 or more attendants to handle possible medical emergencies--such as a child pulling out an IV or fainting, or choking. Once they got to your warehouse, they would need rooms for different age groups and stimulating activities, again, age and ability appropriate. The warehouse would need to have several adults available for emergencies or violent outbursts. How many? dunno. You are the one with all the answers.
Your way would be absolutely over-the-top expensive.
The larger the district, the more likely the admin and teachers are libs. With small town schools, you know the teachers, the administration, and their values. If you don't like them, you can tell them face to face.
I subscribe to a couple of email lists just for lesson plan ideas and educational games. I have read quite a few of the teachers on these lists complaining about The No Child Left Behind Act and saying some teachers have to quit because of it. Their reasoning was that if some kid doesn't want to learn, then it shouldn't be up to them to try to force them.
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