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Are School Administrations Nationwide Trying to Hurt George Bush?
06.17.04 | mlmr

Posted on 06/17/2004 5:17:11 PM PDT by mlmr

I have four children in three different schools. In the past week I have talked to a number of teachers and administrators about different issues pertaining to next semester. I have been told three times so far that the school cannot manage A or B anymore becasue Individual Student Goals(or whatever the technical name is) cannot be honored because of the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT. One called it Bush's NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. Tell me, is this a national trend? Those of you with children in public schools, are you hearing that the Bush plan is hurting your child? Or otherss?


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KEYWORDS: bush; nclb; nochildleftbehind; schools
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To: mlmr

Here's a hint. Yesterday my sister, PS teacher, received a call through her school's call chain inviting her to a get-together with a member of John Kerry's staff. She declined, of course, but there's little doubt it's actually a bash-Bush get-together.


21 posted on 06/17/2004 5:51:52 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (If we had some eggs, we could have bacon and eggs if we had some bacon. --unknown Freeper)
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To: mlmr
I teach at a public school in VA

The complaints probably refer to students with an IEP, or Individual Education Plans. And yes, this is a real problem.

Some students are not going to read on grade level with their peers. It's not going to happen for about a dozen reasons. Some are born mentally retarded, brain damaged, severely autistic, in addition to those who are learning disabled. Yet, only 5% of the special education population may be exempted.

In my school we have about 50 Learning Disabled kids, but we have 10 kids in the severe population. These kids have IQ's in the 30's and 40's. What magic wand can we wave to teach them to read on grade level? Several are still learning self care--at 6th, 7th and 8th grade.

Is there a problem? You bet. Our school WOULD have passed except for the special education population. We had to exempt too many.

Anyone out there have an answer? I'm open to suggestions. Perhaps their parents should home-school them?

22 posted on 06/17/2004 5:57:26 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

Do these kids really belong in a regular public school?


23 posted on 06/17/2004 6:00:04 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: mlmr
According to IDEA, yes. Where would you put them?

Remember that a private day school for this population runs about $100K a year--of tax payer money--Residential is about $200K.

24 posted on 06/17/2004 6:02:27 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SpyGuy; summer
Does that scare you enough to pull your children from the government-controlled indoctrination camps commonly known as "public schools"?

You raise good points, also note that Bush's plan includes accountability, the word strikes fear into the very heart of the NEA. Naturally they are opposed to Bush and are doing there best to have each child tell their parents to vote for Kerry.

25 posted on 06/17/2004 6:04:22 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: bboop

Well, no, we don't sing "God Bless America" in the classroom. However, we do say the pledge of allegiance every morning of the school year-- and have been doing that for years.
The No Child Left Behind Act is indeed a pain, but change is always painful.


26 posted on 06/17/2004 6:06:06 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: mlmr
I think the correct term is ILP INDIVIDUAL LEARNING PLANS
Another question: Does every student in your public schools have such a plan? We have in Texas something called an "IEP." It's an Individualized Education Plan, but we only have those for special ed students.
27 posted on 06/17/2004 6:08:55 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: SoftballMominVA

The situation at your school sounds so familiar. Are you required to test those students with the very low IQs? We have to test ours, but they take a special test, not the regular mandated state test-- the TAKS.


28 posted on 06/17/2004 6:11:15 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: mlmr
In fact, call up your school district sometime and ask to see a line item budget. Look for "residential care" or "private placement." Part of the reason that schools appear to spend outrageous amounts of money per pupil is because of the severe/profound population. If a school system gets a dozen or more of these kids, the costs are spread out among all students. Teaching them at school saves the district quite a bit of money, and is more humane (rather than placing them in a institution) but the schools pay in another way.

Many of these kids are the ones who survive a traumatic birth. 20 years ago, they would have not lived past their first day of life. Remember the McCaughey septuplets? Two of them require extensive therapy. Paid for by their local public school. If one of them needed a private placement, it would be provided. Again, courtesy of tax dollars.

29 posted on 06/17/2004 6:14:23 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

When I was a child there were special schools for mentally disabled children that taught them the basics, if they were able to manage them. The severely disabled did not go to school.


30 posted on 06/17/2004 6:14:36 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: Clara Lou

Why are you bothering to give IQ tests to children with very low IQs. It is not as though a five or ten point difference on the S-B scale is going to make a difference. Why bother to have them in school in the first place?


31 posted on 06/17/2004 6:16:42 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: Clara Lou

Every public school is allowed to exempt 5% of the total population from whatever standardized test is used. There are only a few tests on the list--Stanford, Iowa, in Virginia, we are allowed to use the Standards of Learning. 5% may be exempted.


32 posted on 06/17/2004 6:18:00 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: mlmr

You can join me in what I have done on a small scale. Teachers have the right to demand a refund of their dues that were used for political purposes. I think they can go back at least three years. If enough teachers did it, it could cause them some damage.


33 posted on 06/17/2004 6:18:28 PM PDT by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: SoftballMominVA

I am aware of this. Frankly, I think it is ridiculous. These children have no business being in a regular school. And no I dont think that they should go to private schools. The children obviously need some sort of daycare and basic skills traingint if parents need respite. But not much more.


34 posted on 06/17/2004 6:19:53 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: mlmr
Under IDEA, enacted first in the mid 70's, all students are entitled to be educated in the least restricted environment possible AND they are entitled to go to their neighborhood school, unless the disability is so severe that it causes harm to the student or to others. They have this right until they turn 22. This is the law.

Children cannot be placed in a warehouse or forced to stay at home.

35 posted on 06/17/2004 6:20:34 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: mlmr

The quality of public school education is inversely proportionate to the growth of the NEA. Think about it.


36 posted on 06/17/2004 6:21:49 PM PDT by Eva
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To: mlmr
Well, the idea is that even someone who is severely challenged can learn something. And that's true-- although someone with a very low IQ isn't going to be learning what regular education kids their age are learning.
37 posted on 06/17/2004 6:22:04 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: doug from upland

I am not a teacher, I am a parent. I have had a lot of testing theory courses for my profession and I am a developmentalist as well as other things.

Some would say "brazen hussy."


38 posted on 06/17/2004 6:22:10 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: mlmr
These children have no business being in a regular school. And no I dont think that they should go to private schools. The children obviously need some sort of daycare and basic skills traingint if parents need respite. But not much more.

This is what they do get, in a public school where they at least have the opportunity to interact with their peers.

39 posted on 06/17/2004 6:22:33 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: mlmr

It's called the politics of the leftist NEA.

Teachers are inundated with propaganda, and often criticized if they do not speak out against the right, whoever the person might be.


40 posted on 06/17/2004 6:22:56 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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