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Salamander endangers education, threatens property rights
Freedom 21 Santa Cruz ^ | Jun 15, 2004 | Brent Duncan

Posted on 06/17/2004 10:06:43 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer

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How much is one salamander worth? Is it worth more than one human being? Incredibly this salamander is worth $24 million and a new high school to some.
1 posted on 06/17/2004 10:06:45 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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How many of these lizards are left? One? [Stomp!] Problem solved ...


2 posted on 06/17/2004 10:08:09 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: freebilly; martin_fierro; EggsAckley; Carry_Okie; The Other Harry; cake_crumb; farmfriend; ...

Pinging


3 posted on 06/17/2004 10:11:06 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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There is a housing development in Seascape which has a convenant for the buyer that says, if a salamander is found dead on their property, they are not to touch it, and must notify the county immediately.

Salamanders have been useful tools for the stalinists in our county government for some time now.


4 posted on 06/17/2004 10:12:48 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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long-toed salamander is threatening to devour a $24 million school construction project and may also consume the property rights of many residents in this rural community on the Monterey Bay.

So the lefties in Monterey Bay are getting a taste of their own medicine and not liking it?

5 posted on 06/17/2004 10:13:04 AM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: mgc1122

These eco-conscious extortionists are probably the only faction of the far left that are not beyond parody from the media. Reading this article, all I could think of was the "Screaming Caterpillar" episode of the Simpsons and the "Brian Wallows, Peter Swallows" episode of Family Guy where they rip these neo-hippies a new one.


6 posted on 06/17/2004 10:13:10 AM PDT by ICX (PANTIES ON HEADS!!! THE OUTRAGE!!!)
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Yikes! Don't tell anyone, but I have a lot of those salamanders on my property. Cute little critters. They float around in my koi pond. They DO migrate, btw. They stay here in the summer, mate, and then leave. I suspect they go to a pond nearby that is much much bigger than mine.

Every spring we find little "mini-me's" all over the place.

Heheheh.


7 posted on 06/17/2004 10:15:15 AM PDT by EggsAckley (...............“Zvinongoitikawo (…**it happens)”...............)
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I was going to volunteer my attack cat. I'll let her out, she'll clear out the area, and I won't even charge.

The lefties can't say that man is destroying part of nature (though, actually, they would find a way to blame it on President Bush). My cat is (everyone hold hands and take a deep breath) "part of nature".

Hey Lefties! Food chains a b*tch, huh?

8 posted on 06/17/2004 10:24:37 AM PDT by mattdono (To President Reagan: Rest now. Look in on us. Enjoy eternity. I'll see you again some day.)
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Time to find and eradicate those pesky salimanders. I call for July 4 to be declared "Aptos Salamander Squishing Day".

My advice, if you ever find an endangered species on your property, kill it immediately and bury it.


9 posted on 06/17/2004 10:24:40 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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The lefties are happy to sacrifice the children for the sake of a salamander. I can see the social studies teachers at Aptos High school instructing the class on how to diminish their expectations about their education and the amount of space they take up, so that the salamander can live free.


10 posted on 06/17/2004 10:30:54 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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if a salamander is found dead on their property, they are not to touch it, and must notify the county immediately

A couple of shovels full of dirt will take care of it, and you didn't touch it.

11 posted on 06/17/2004 10:37:49 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Vexillologist to the FReeper Foxhole)
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How many of these lizards are left? One? [Stomp!] Problem solved ...

My thought exactly....

12 posted on 06/17/2004 11:25:26 AM PDT by crv16
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13 posted on 06/17/2004 11:26:30 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Flying Circus

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14 posted on 06/17/2004 11:26:55 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: hedgetrimmer

Come on. Stop this. It isn't a case of one salamander versus a human life.

Go build the thing somewhere else.

And a salamander isn't a lizard.

Once again those people who want to wipe every species of creature in the world in the their insane drive to Macadamize and McMallize the entire country have struck again.


15 posted on 06/17/2004 11:27:57 AM PDT by ZULU
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Yes it is about 1 salamander.

It is about $24 million that the salamander will waste because the project will not be completed.

It is about the taxpayers who will have paid money into a bond that will not be spent on the project they approved.

It is about all the homeowners within a mile diameter of the sighting who will have their property rights stolen from them by the county because 1 salamander was found.

No one said anything about wiping out every species of creature in the world.

What is Macadamize and McMallize? I don't see those words in the dictionary.


16 posted on 06/17/2004 11:32:58 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Those may not be long-toed Salamanders however. Now, for twenty points, is the long-toed Salamander a biologically distinct species?

Nope. It's a legal distinction, not a biological distinction. As long as the two populations can interbreed, they are not distinct species any more than asian and white people are.

17 posted on 06/17/2004 11:35:12 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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"Yes it is about 1 salamander. "

No. There has to be a breeding population there unless some eco-nut just dropped off one specimen where he hoped somebody would find it.


"It is about $24 million that the salamander will waste because the project will not be completed.

It is about the taxpayers who will have paid money into a bond that will not be spent on the project they approved."

It seems to me that its more about the incompetence of local officials who didn't hire a consulting engineering firm to do an environmental study of the site before they decided to build there. If they had and this critter turned up, they could have built elsewhere. If the consultant overlooked it, the consultant's insurance company would incur the loss, not the residents.

"It is about all the homeowners within a mile diameter of the sighting who will have their property rights stolen from them by the county because 1 salamander was found."

No homeowner should have their property rights taken away without fair comepnsation.

As for professional land speculators and builders - tough. It a risk of the business. Maybe they should check out their potential construction sites better before investing.

"What is Macadamize and McMallize? I don't see those words in the dictionary."

Take a trip to the Los Angeles area, or to the area on the East Coast between Kennedy - town (Boston) and Charlotte North Carolina. Builders are buying up and developing huge tracks of land and converting good farmland and open woods into mile after mile of malls, roadways, parking lots, residential subdivisions, etc.

At the rate they are going your grandchildren will be growing up in a Country which imports all its food as well as its oil because the whole place will look like downtown Los Angeles or Mahanhattan - all concrete and asphalt. And the oly "wildlife" they will ever see will be city pigeons, cockroaches and house rats unles they go to the local museum to stare at stuffed animals.

Thats not the kind of world I want to live in or leave behind me for my grandkids.


18 posted on 06/17/2004 1:09:52 PM PDT by ZULU
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No, they only found 1 salamander. It is on property that the school already owns, and bought before the green meanies decided they had to control every little thing a person does on this planet, so no, no environmental study was done when the property was purchased.

Environmentalists have a reputation for planting endangered species on land they want to control, whether its putting linx hair on a barbed wire fence or letting some critter go on another's property. In case you forgot, the under the Constitution, property owners have the right to do whatever they want on their property, including build school facilities.

Or are you one of the ones who want a post-Constitutional America with only the environmentalists controlling property?

Its a lie that city dwellers only see pigeons, rats and cockroaches. There are large populations of animals in city limits and just outside. Coyotes, hawks, skunks and possums make cities their homes just as other animals do. You only have to open your eyes to see the abundance of wildlife.

**Thats not the kind of world I want to live in or leave behind me for my grandkids.
Sorry, but you have to give the individual his rights if you want to live in a Constitutional America. Some people could care less if they never saw a wild animal, some people like the fellow up in Alaska, loved bears so much they ate him. The environmental movement is creating a totalitarian society, where liberty and freedom are cast aside for a collective that values a salamander over humans and Constitutional rights.


19 posted on 06/17/2004 1:57:29 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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Bumping for a later read.


20 posted on 06/17/2004 2:09:39 PM PDT by AuntB ("Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is our problem!" Ronald Reagan)
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