Posted on 06/16/2004 9:43:37 AM PDT by Peach
The 9/11 Commission is wrong. Dead wrong.
In the 90's, the mainstream press wrote extensively on the growing relationship between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
In 1998, the Clinton administration noted that Osama bin Laden had agreed not to Iraq in exchange for WMD training.
Saddam knew that 9/11 was coming.
Links to the relationship between Iraq and AQ are listed below.
No kidding.
They haven't even interviewed Mitch Potter, who found a memo that was HARD EVIDENCE of a bin Laden-Saddam connection.
The connection is being covered up, people. If I had to guess, I'd say Jamie Gorelick's behind it.
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From: Paul Andrew Mitchell [address in tool bar]
Subject: SLS: OKC -- Grand Jury Tampering (fwd)
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>
>THE OBSTRUCTION OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION
> The Mysterious Jamie Gorelick Phone Call
>
>By David Hoffman
>
>
>The petition by Oklahoma State Rep. Charles Key to impanel a
>grand jury to hear evidence of government involvement in the
>Oklahoma City bombing was originally quashed by District Judge
>Daniel Owens on the premise that it would be "reinventing the
>wheel." The Oklahoma Supreme Court disagreed earlier this year,
>and overturned both Owens' ruling and District Attorney Robert
>Macy's subsequent appeal.
>
>When I first interviewed Bob Macy about the Oklahoma City bombing
>in 1995, he was collecting information on the case by reading
>Morris Dees' Gathering Storm, and The Turner Diaries. This was a
>year and-a-half after the bombing--a bombing that occurred right
>outside his window. He didn't know about John Doe 2. He had no
>idea about the Middle Eastern connection. He had done absolutely
>no investigation.
>
>"I have not seen these things you are talking about right now,"
>Macy told me. "When I see the evidence... I haven't been
>presented with the evidence." Macy subsequently claimed he wanted
>me to work with his so- called "task force" that was
>"investigating" the bombing, then never called me back. It wasn't
>until the county grand jury was finally impaneled in June of this
>year that Macy's Chief Assistant DA, Pat Morgan, sent an
>investigator to meet with me. After turning over [almost] all the
>information I had gathered on the bombing, I never heard another
>word.
>
>Interestingly, just two months before the hearing, Macy claimed
>to this author that he intended to prosecute McVeigh and Nichols
>in a state trial on 161 counts of First Degree Murder. "I don't
>like taking a second seat to the [federal] prosecution," Macy
>stated. "The bombing killed 10 of my friends."
>
>In a May 24, 1995 letter to Senator Orrin Hatch, one of the
>original drafters of the Anti-Terrorism Bill, Macy wrote:
>
> First, immediately following the trial or trials in Federal
> Court, I shall, working in conjunction with the United Sates
> Department of Justice and the federal law-enforcement
> agencies investigating the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah
> Building, prosecute the cowards responsible for murdering
> innocent people in the area surrounding the Federal
> Building.... The State of Oklahoma has an overwhelming,
> compelling interest to seek and obtain the maximum penalty
> allowable by law for the senseless and cowardly killings. Not
> only is it in the interest of the State, it is my sworn duty
> to seek those sanctions, and I intend to fully carry out my
> responsibilities.... Every day of delay represents a victory
> for these cowardly cold- blooded killers and another day of
> defeat and suffering for the victims and all other Americans
> who cry out for justice.
>
>Macy personally impressed upon me his interest in getting at the
>truth: "I'm prepared to do what ever it takes to get to the
>truth," Macy exclaimed. "My sole intent is in learning the
>truth!"
>
>Yet when asked if he intended to conduct an investigation
>independent of the Feds', he said, "Well... I don't want to be a
>party to anything that will interfere with the Feds' prosecution.
>I don't want to open up a new can of worms."
>
>THE GORELICK PHONE CALL
>
>After Macy lost the appeals hearing, he met with bombing victim
>Glenn Wilburn and Representative Key, explaining that he wished
>to cooperate with their investigation. Three days later, the two
>men discovered that Macy had decided to contest the Appeals
>Court's decision. When a furious Key confronted Macy, all that
>the "courageous, truth-seeking" DA told him was, "They won't let
>me." When Key demanded to know who "they" were, Macy just lowered
>his eyes to the floor and repeated, "They won't let me." [1]
>
>Key later learned from a source at ABC News that Macy had
>received a conference call from Janet Reno's deputy Jamie
>Gorelick, and the government's lead prosecutor, Joseph Hartzler,
>along with Governor Keating, Oklahoma City Fire Chief Gary Marrs,
>and Judge Daniel Owens. Interestingly, during a debate on FOX TV
>with Representative Key, Keating stated, "Nobody could get away
>with a cover-up; it would not be tolerated by civilized Oklahoma
>City.... Nobody's afraid of the truth." [2]
>
>KFOR's Jayna Davis shed some light on the "truth-seeking" efforts
>of Bob Macy and the good ole' boy network of politicos from which
>he descends. Two years earlier, after an 8-year-old boy was
>raped, both Davis and the Public Defender demanded to know why
>Macy hadn't done anything. When Macy thought the camera was off,
>he whipped around and sternly admonished the reporter: "Lady, I
>don't know who you are or where you came from, but this isn't how
>we do business in Oklahoma!" [3]
>
>This is the same Bob Macy who argued that it would be "a waste of
>the taxpayers' time and money to convene an Oklahoma County Grand
>Jury when one was already in session or when a Federal Grand Jury
>had already heard all available evidence."
>
>The Oklahoma Supreme Court did not agree with Macy. They
>unanimously upheld Key's right to impanel the grand jury, which
>is hearing evidence as of this writing.
>
>REP. KEY SUBPOENAED OVER INTERNET LETTER
>
>On May 7, 1997, Oklahoma State Attorney General Drew Edmondson
>subpoenaed Rep. Charles Key before a multi-county grand jury,
>alleging that he violated procedures in raising money for the
>bombing investigation. The Daily Oklahoman proudly proclaimed how
>it had played a critical role in bringing about the investigation
>of Key:
>
> The attorney general's action is a result of an inquiry by
> The Oklahoman about Key's seven-page solicitation letter on
> the Internet. The letter asks for money to "secure copies of
> the voluminous (federal) government documents and to pay
> independent investigators" and other expenses for the county
> grand jury investigation.... [4]
>
>According to Key's attorney, Mark Sanford, Key violated no rules
>at all. Another attorney who represented Key at the grand jury
>inquest, Representative Bill Graves, stated: "The law is pretty
>clear that you are not required to register before you hit the
>ten thousand dollar threshold, and Charles [Key] had not hit that
>limit so was not required to register. Edmondson knows that.
>They're just trying to slow Charles down or stop him through
>harassment." [5]
>
>"This is all about stopping us and making us shut up, said Key.
>"If I would just quit the grand jury deal, this would all go
>away." [6]
>
>Says V. Z Lawson, a HUD worker who survived the bombing, "You
>don't have to be that bright or look that hard to see the fraud
>and hypocrisy in these charges. For over a year and a half,
>they've been doing everything imaginable and employing the most
>absurd arguments to prevent Charles from impaneling a grand jury
>to investigate one of the worst crimes in our country's history.
>Now, after he's overcome all of their legal challenges in the
>courts and is close to getting a county grand jury investigation
>going, they drag him before a multi-county grand jury for what
>amounts to jaywalking, while the bombing and other genuine,
>serious crimes go uninvestigated." [7]
>
>PSYOPS ARE INTRODUCED
>
>Lawson also brought to the attention of bombing investigators a
>February 5th, fax transmission to federal employees on the
>official letterhead of Attorney General Drew Edmondson. The
>letter sought signatures from survivors to go with letters that
>were to be sent to various news organizations. The cover sheet
>said it came from Richard M. Wintory, Chief Deputy Attorney
>General of the Criminal Division. The letter, entitled, "A Plea
>to the Media from Oklahoma City: Don't O.J. Us!!!" purports to be
>a spontaneous response from victims asking the media not to
>"manipulate" and "exploit" them "for no purpose other than to
>enhance their ratings on the air and in publications."
>
>This obvious propaganda counteroffensive was in response to ABC
>20/20's January, 1996 show about prior knowledge. It referred to
>the "so-called report" by ABC as "tabloid journalism" filled with
>"unsubstantiated and baseless claims that have been repeatedly
>debunked."
>
>"We are appalled at the lack of interest in the truth and the
>underhanded method utilized by 20/20" stated the letter, which
>claimed that ABC had wrongfully implied that certain victims
>agreed with the "paranoid delusion" of the "ridiculous theory of
>government conspiracy in this crime." It added that "reporters
>are sometime tempted to forget the truth." Ultimately, it stated,
>"It is PEOPLE that matter in this life, neither money nor
>possession nor a Pulitzer Prize."
>
>This classic PSYOP piece launched by Edmondson (which he angrily
>denied in a letter to the author) was signed, "Many Survivors and
>Family Members, Oklahoma City Bombing."
>
>HUD employees V. Z. Lawson and Jane Graham were two survivors who
>angrily denounced the letter for the sham that it was. "Since the
>communication was loaded with lies and half truths, I certainly
>could not sign it," said Lawton, "and I felt like a state
>attorney general could better spend his time supporting an effort
>to find the truth rather than this transparent effort at helping
>to hide it."
>
>"I am angry," stated Graham in a typed response to the letter,
>"that the attorney general's office would play on the emotions of
>this office at HUD under the guise of keeping us posted on how
>they are proceeding and planning the case, causing further
>emotional turmoil in this office between employees." [8]
>
>Edmondson's blatant attempt at coercing the victims to pander to
>the official government line is similar to a letter from a group
>of victims suggesting passage of the Anti-Terrorism Bill. The
>recipients were urged to call Edmondson if they were interested
>in participating. Of course, while Edmondson accuses ABC 20/20 of
>"manipulating" and "exploiting" the bombing victims, it is
>obvious that Edmondson himself hasn't done anything to manipulate
>or exploit anyone.
>
>
>[An edited excerpt of David Hoffman's forthcoming book "The
>Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror." For more
>information, see
>http://www.webcom.com/haight/headshop/Hoffman.book.ad.html ]
>
>
>Notes:
>
>1. Rep. Charles Key, interviews with author.
>
>2. Rita Cosby, FOX News, 4/4/97.
>
>3. Interview with Jayna Davis. Macy's Assistant DAs who handled
>that case were John Farely and Jane Brown.
>
>4. Daily Oklahoman, 8/14/97.
>
>5. Mark Sanford, interview with author; William Jasper, "OKC
>Investigator Under Attack, " New American, 6/23/97.
>
>6. Brian Ford, "Fund-Raising Probed: Jury Looks into Efforts of
>Rep. Charles Key," Tulsa World, 5/6/97.
>
>7. Jasper, Op Cit.
>
>8. Ibid.
>
> Published in the Sep. 15, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly
> Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)
> Reposting permitted with this message intact
>
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Peach, I'm former Special Forces. I have not the slightest doubt Iraq was a client state supporting al-Quida. Like all client states Iraq would keep any connection at a distance.
I also suspect the DemonRats also think 408 Iraqi nuclear scientists were in Libya on vacation. They say they support our troops, but can anyone tell me where they have supported our troops just once since the Korean War?
The leftists have not supported our troops ever, in my lifetime.
They cannot get away with saying they support the troops while the entire time the condemn their mission, call their commander in chief a liar, and refuse to accept that the war on terror is a legitimate war.
You're more than welcome.
I'll be slamming the threads whenever there is an appropriate place to do so. I do this for the new members and lurkers who have not seen this information and apologize to those of you who have to constantly skim past my lengthy posts you have previously seen.
It is my contribution to the president and his re-election campaign but he isn't using the information available to freepers, let alone available to his administration.
I've written the administration about it but they aren't listening to me. LOL
Incredible effort, Peach. I'll forward a copy of this thread to my Senators, the White House, and a few contacts in the media. I can only ask that other do the same. The world should know that the 9-11 Commission is a bipartisan joke.
Thank you, Quilla!
I have forwarded this information to everyone in the administration who seemed appropriate (Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld) and my senators and all the Republican Senators on the House and Senate intelligence committees.
Why the administration has been largely silent or just makes occasional 2 sentence statements regarding the connections between Iraq and AQ is a mystery.
Agreed, which is why I'd opt for a closed door tribunal in a place like Gitmo, though the execution should be public.
You might be interested to know that a short while ago I heard CNN spreading blatant disinformation about Atta. They claimed that rental car, cell phone, and travel records clearly place Atta in Virginia Beach on the date in question, which is patently false, and furthermore the 9/11 Commission knows that this is false. The only part which is true is that his cell phone was used there, but that could have been any of his associates using his cell phone. The media lies just continue on unabated.
I hate the media. They are the western branch of Al Qaeda, imo.
I haven't checked your links, so I don't know if you have this, but Michael Medved just said that papers that were found on the ground after or during the first Gulf War listed Osama Bin Laden as an asset of Saddams secret service.
Stephen Hayes was on FNC last night talking about how Iraq listed OBL as an intelligence asset and I think it's in one of the latter links I have to his book and articles for the Weekly Standard.
Most excellent work, Peach! I don't have to add, but I sure hope people send this information to their Senators, Congressmen, and media outlets!
Thank you.
I've sent this to Republican congressmen on the house and senate Intelligence Committees. You should see the letters I got back! They skirted around the issue in most interesting ways and one actually suggested that this wasn't a PR campaign. LOL
The White House never responded at all and I probably have an FBI file as a nutjob now. Ack!
I forgot to compliment you on the great job that you did putting together all those links. Kudos.
bumparooney
Incredibly, an interesting bio of Rumsfeld is available at Rotten.com - with background on this meeting, and the events that have happened since.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/usa/donald-rumsfeld/
It's worth noting that, at the time, it was in our interest to be neutral in the Iran/Iraq war. We dealt with both sides, and the liberals cannot have it both ways regarding this information. (I.E.: "We supported Iraq! We supported Iran! WAAAHHH!")
More info on this FreeRepublic Thread as well:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/912213/posts
Thank, Eva!
Bookmarked for later perusal...
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