Posted on 06/15/2004 2:12:56 PM PDT by Fifthmark
"I am worried by the Blessed Virgin's messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in Her liturgy, Her theology, and Her soul. I hear all around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject Her ornaments and make Her feel remorse for Her historical past."
Ping
They apologized, that's all well and good, let that be the end of it.
If a Jew like Mel Brooks can laugh and poke fun at it, the rest of us should be able to. But let's not forget the lessons too, like not letting the church run the state, or vice versa, and how nice it is to have freedom of religion and not fear getting killed by the holy warriors down the street because you don't belong to their faith, or because you don't adhere to one at all.
Yes, let's bring back the inquisition I say. I know, I know, the tortures of untried individuals gave the inquisition a bad name. But , ya' gotta realize the ends justifies the means. And the Middle-Easterners have inquisitions of their own in Mooselimb countries, stamping out infidels. If its good enough for them, lets bring it on.
Those darn Jews!
Have you yet to connect the dots and realize that "freedom of religion" equals pluralism, and that when truth is compromised with error, you bear the fruits of error? Those running the Vatican have certainly has shown this, as the forty years after their compromise with the world have born nothing but scandal, heresy, and apostacy...although our Pope sure seems to be popular with the kids.
That being said, and with the Vatican having enough to apologize for already, I see no need for a "mea culpa" over the Inquisition.
NObody expects the Spanish Inquistion.
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The Inquisition simply reflected the criminal justice practices of its time, and in fact, was much better than most civil criminal systems. What people really dreaded was being released to the secular arm, meaning the ordinary criminal justice system, which permitted confessions under torture, anonymous accusations, etc.
That said, the Inquisition definitely took on a life of its own, and became highly politicized and was used to attack perceived enemies of the King. In fact, the Pope twice tried to put an end to it in Spain (in its second and more out of control phase) but was unable to do so. It finally ran out of steam on its own, mostly upon the change of the occupant of the secular throne. This was because, in Protestant countries as well, the connection between secular power and religous power was much closer. Protestants, for example, eagerly proclaimed state churches wherever they gained power.
I do think that the Catholic Church should tighten up its internal doctrinal policing, though. If people want to support abortion, go have a gay "marriage," or deny the divinity of Christ - fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to do it or preach it in the Catholic Church.
Etchegaray, the Cardinal who came out today and "apologized" for the Inquisition, is a notorious leftist and is probably all in favor of the above heresies, btw.
I do think that the Catholic Church should tighten up its internal doctrinal policing, though. If people want to support abortion, go have a gay "marriage," or deny the divinity of Christ - fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to do it or preach it in the Catholic Church.
I agree 100%. Although I am not Catholic, I do agree with many of their beliefs. Any Bible-based religion that endorses gay marriage (or abortion) is beyond my understanding of plain words.
Catholic leaders, such as Father Robert Drinan, a Jesuit priest and former Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, who now teaches law at Georgetown University, say Kerry should sell the extensive parts of his legislative record that follow the teachings of the church.
“Kerry is a very good Catholic,” said Drinan, who said the candidate is strong on many important Catholic issues. Drinan, who has counseled Kerry’s campaign, said the senator fought for “refugees and immigrants, and he should make that known.”
Drinan said Kerry should talk “to groups in the church that sponsor social welfare programs. Lots of Catholic leaders and Catholic followers say that we believe in his priorities rather than Bush’s priorities.”
Drinan would have enjoyed wallowing in the blood of heretics.
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Wow, this was an old thread. You are absolutely correct and I should have been clearer. My comments were not meant to include naturalized US citizens or legal “immigrants” for that matter. I was referring to illegal aliens or non-immigrant guest workers.
I think the author chose the word "alleged" to counter the prevailing mentality amongst protestants that thousands upon thousands were slaughted for their beliefs during the Inquisition at the hands of evil Catholics, while the truth is something rather different.
If incinerating living beings and torturing people over religious beliefs do not constitute horror, then Saddam Hussein has been greviously mistreated.
Actually, Saddam was quite tolerate of religious beliefs, especially those of the Iraqi Christians, who are now leaving in droves as "liberation" sets in. Do you find it "horrible" that we incinerated 6,000-10,000 Iraqis in the name of "liberation" and mentally and physically tortured the falsely-held prisoners of Abu Ghraib over several months before the public was made aware, or are you just interested in sticking to the topic at hand and insulting the author of this piece over semantic difficulties?
I find it horrific that the author, knowing people were burned and tortured to death, refers to these instances as 'alleged.' If you do not find that disturbing, then Saddam's alleged crimes shouldn't bother you,either.
Ah, so I can't disagree with Bush and find the Abu Ghraib situation appalling without being a member of the Democratic Underground? Nice false dilemma there, bub.
But does that excuse the Inquistion?
The whole point is that the Church shouldn't have to "excuse" the Inquisition, as it was perfectly justified. The only disagreement I would have is on the techniques employed, which must be put into context and were not as sadistic as some would make them out to be.
Yeah, burning people alive and torturing them to death have gotten a bad rap. And when you're doing it for God, well, it's positively pious. But removing a month-old blastocyst from woman's body is murder, by god, and we won't have it.
And people ask what made me decide to become an atheist. It's this kind of stuff.
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