[Fifthmark]

Before he became Pope Pius XII, Msgr. Eugenio Pacelli remarked upon the sad state of affairs in the Church that has led to the Vatican's recent "apology" for the Inquisition:

"I am worried by the Blessed Virgin's messages to Lucy of Fatima. This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in Her liturgy, Her theology, and Her soul. I hear all around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject Her ornaments and make Her feel remorse for Her historical past."

[Fifthmark]

Ping

[StoneColdGOP]

I'm more upset about the Catholic Church harboring child molesters and encouraging illegal immigration into the U.S., and no so concerned about hitting them over the head with something that no one alive today is responsible for.

They apologized, that's all well and good, let that be the end of it.

If a Jew like Mel Brooks can laugh and poke fun at it, the rest of us should be able to. But let's not forget the lessons too, like not letting the church run the state, or vice versa, and how nice it is to have freedom of religion and not fear getting killed by the holy warriors down the street because you don't belong to their faith, or because you don't adhere to one at all.

[BipolarBob]

Yes, let's bring back the inquisition I say. I know, I know, the tortures of untried individuals gave the inquisition a bad name. But , ya' gotta realize the ends justifies the means. And the Middle-Easterners have inquisitions of their own in Mooselimb countries, stamping out infidels. If its good enough for them, lets bring it on.

[megatherium]

Contrary to that which one has been led to believe, the Marranos had not converted under menace, although Spain had experienced a wave of pogroms in 1391. The Marranos were seeking rather to infiltrate Christian society in order to control it.

Those darn Jews!

[tet68]

NObody expects the Spanish Inquistion.
Our main weapons are ......

[Sergio]

Save for later reading.

[gcruse]

The alleged horrors of the Inquisition...

Alleged?  The implication from the use of alleged is the same as making quote marks with the fingers.  It is to cast doubt on the occurrence of Inquisitional horrors.  However, in the writer's own words...

the most serious historical studies have henceforth recognized that the Inquisition ..condemned relatively few people to the flames, and which only employed torture in exceptional cases.

If incinerating living beings and torturing people over religious beliefs do not constitute horror, then Saddam Hussein has been greviously mistreated.

This is a disgusting piece of self-serving soft-pedaling worthy of OJ Simpson's lawyers.

[Merdoug]

[js1138]

"Nevertheless, the most serious historical studies have henceforth recognized that the Inquisition was an honest tribunal, which sought to convert heretics more than to punish them..."

An this is different from modern Islam in what important way? And exactly what political philosophy grants religion the authority to question anyone's beliefs, much less endeavor to convert people who do not come voluntarily?

[Cap'n Crunch]

That was fantastic. Thank you.

[Long Cut]

Ping. You will not believe this, or the posts here...you'll see the ones I mean.

If some people on this site can justify the Inquisition, will the Holocaust be far behind?

Just the outright advocacy for a total Catholic theocracy in some of the posts is enough to make one's stomach turn.

And some keep wondering why the Right has such a tough time convincing people...

[Fifthmark]

I will be gone for the weekend, so unfortunately from my end the discussion ends here. Anyone interested in Catholic-baiting can meet me in the Religion forum during normal business hours.

[nmh]

Instead of trying to minimize the Inquisition and rewriting history they ought to concentrate on aligning their beliefs with the Bible and stop their priests from molesting little boys, paying off the parents and circumventing secular laws that do not allow pedophilia.

Yeah, I know the Inquisition was no more wrong than the Holocaust. LOL! Still people will vigorously defend this "faith". Personally imitation Christianity knows no bounds on what it can do in the "name of God". Just look at what Muslims do in the "name of God".

[MEG33]

The thread that your post was a great antidote to...

[Fifthmark]

I'd like to thank everyone for their contribution to this thread, which has devolved into name-calling, blasphemy, irreverance, and, in the course of Long Cut's overblown reactions, taking the Lord's Name in vain (see post #219). If you think yourself "conservative," ask yourself exactly what you're conserving and where the basis of that conservativism lies. Good day.

[Long Cut]

I can't believe you missed this one. Read the posts carefully.