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What are they smoking on Capitol Hill?
Oak Lawn (IL) Reporter ^ | 6/17/04 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 06/15/2004 9:08:49 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Anti-smoking advocates would like movies that portray smoking to carry an R rating. The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) doesn’t care for that idea much.

The organization’s resistance might have something to do with the fact that R rated movies as a rule aren’t as profitable as those with softer ratings. Or maybe it’s worried that if a concession is made to one bunch of self-appointed do-gooders, it’ll have to do it for others.

So what does one group, such as the anti-smoking activists, do when another group, such as the MPAA, won’t get with the program?

Run to Congress, of course. Try to get it to force the recalcitrant association into submission.

That happened last month before a Senate committee. The anti-smoking storm troopers must have loved hearing Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) declare: "If something isn't done by the industry, something will be done by Congress."

In some jurisdictions, that would be considered a threat. On Capitol Hill, unfortunately, it’s known as "addressing the issue."

I’m no fan of the MPAA’s rating system. It’s no coincidence that since its introduction audiences have been exposed to much more sex, nudity, violence and profanity than before. That was the way it was intended to work.

Many Americans were too naive to realize what the rating system would do. They thought it would protect them from the raw sewage that’s pandemic in films.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve never heard a couple leaving a movie say, "You know, honey, I liked that movie, but I just wish it had had a lot more cussin’."

There’s been a steady erosion of the standards, such as they are. Movies that 20 years ago would have been rated R are now rated PG-13, perhaps PG.

The only stakeholder that’s been protected by the rating system is the film industry. It can fend off attacks on the trash it cranks out with a "We warned you what was in it."

So the MPAA’s rating system is a sham. But that’s the business of the MPAA, a private organization.

The anti-smoking zealots testifying before the Senate committee argued that children seeing smoking depicted on the screen are more likely to smoke. One of them, a University of California professor, testified that giving an R rating for smoking in a movie "would probably prevent about 200,000 kids a year from starting to smoke."

Probably? About 200,000? That doesn’t sound terribly scientific. It appears to be a guess. With righteousness on your side, though, you can pretty much use whatever numbers you like and not be challenged or even questioned scrupulously.

The witness had an attention-grabbing way of emphasizing his point. He asked the committee: "When are we going to treat smoking as seriously as we treat the word ____?" and here he used THE word. You know, the word that, if used just once in a film, will get it at best a PG-13 rating.

Smoking isn’t healthy. Everyone knows that, and has for a very long time. In 1604, James I of England wrote: "Smoking is a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black, stinking fume thereof nearest resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless." And James didn’t even have the benefit of the surgeon general’s warning on every pack.

Anti-smoking forces have prevailed. They’ve won legislation banning it in many places. They’ve won exorbitant taxation of tobacco. They’ve won billions of dollars in settlements. They’ve won the public relations struggle.

Yet they can’t get over their fixation. For some, nothing less than the total obliteration of smoking and any vestige of it will satisfy them.

The MPAA shouldn’t voluntarily accede to their demands. Every group with an agenda will insist on similar treatment. The Center for Science in the Public Interest, which routinely issues reports warning of the dangers of anything that tastes good, would demand an R rating on movies having pizza, hamburgers or popcorn in them.

And members of Congress such as Senator Wyden need to get a grip. Good grief, those characters aren’t doing even a minimally satisfactory job of what they were elected to do. Why in the world are they dabbling in private organizations’ internal processes?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: andscorpions; congress; movies; mpaa; pufflist; ratings; smoking
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1 posted on 06/15/2004 9:08:51 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates

So it's censorship and repression when a conservative group encourages private enterprises not to show the libelous, war profiteering 'documentary' Farenheit 9/11, but it's giving fair warning to the American public if somebody lights up a butt. After all, watching people smoke in movies could "possibly" get "200,000 kids addicted" in a year.

I hate liberals so very, very much.


2 posted on 06/15/2004 9:13:17 AM PDT by ICX (I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.)
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To: ICX

I was reading an article in the WSJ yesterday where cigarette companies are threatening to sue the studios for featuring their brands prominently in movies. They are so tired of the false allegations that the tobacco companies pay large amounts of money to get cigarettes in the actors hands (they used to mind you, but its been illegal for a while now)

Of course, the studios cry First Amendment blah blah blah.


3 posted on 06/15/2004 9:16:38 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Mike Bates; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; ...

4 posted on 06/15/2004 9:22:36 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: Mike Bates
You know, Michael Moore is upset because they are giving his movie an "R" rating! The movie shows ma-pom........spelling........and someone throwing a dead baby on top of other dead bodies, and one other horrible thing.

He is upset because "the kiddies" won't be able to see his movie if it gets an "R" rating.

Pity.

5 posted on 06/15/2004 9:24:26 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: Mike Bates

The R rating would be stupid for smoking. They should create a new rating called C for cancer. :-)


6 posted on 06/15/2004 9:26:24 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mike Bates
That happened last month before a Senate committee. The anti-smoking storm troopers must have loved hearing Senator Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) declare: "If something isn't done by the industry, something will be done by Congress."

"If something isn't done by the industry, something will be done by Congress."

 

7 posted on 06/15/2004 9:26:48 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: Mike Bates
Why in the world are they dabbling in private organizations’ internal processes?

Because as far as they are concerned the only rights anyone has are the ones THEY say you have.

Well written piece.

8 posted on 06/15/2004 9:29:15 AM PDT by Gabz (RIP President Ronald W. Reagan 1911-2004)
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To: SheLion

Boooooo Hoooooooo


9 posted on 06/15/2004 9:29:56 AM PDT by Gabz (RIP President Ronald W. Reagan 1911-2004)
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To: Mike Bates

More proof that it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with behavior control! Thank goodness so many of the freepers support all of this government run amuck!


10 posted on 06/15/2004 9:31:30 AM PDT by CSM (Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.)
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To: Gabz
Boooooo Hoooooooo

Heheh!!!

Beat ya to it. LOL! :-)

I took a break from the other thread and found this one. I hope we don't get anymore smoking threads today. I feel like I have 10 more fingers! ~whew!

11 posted on 06/15/2004 9:34:22 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: CSM
Thank goodness so many of the freepers support all of this government run amuck!

You have said a mouthful there, my FRiend.

12 posted on 06/15/2004 9:35:50 AM PDT by Gabz (RIP President Ronald W. Reagan 1911-2004)
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To: CSM
Thank goodness so many of the freepers support all of this government run amuck!

What with the anti's over here, sometimes I feel like I fell through the rabbit hole, CSM! Right into DU heaven or hell.........how ever one looks at it.

13 posted on 06/15/2004 9:35:54 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: SheLion

Can't you just see it? A movie where all the characters remain fully dressed at all times, never use any profanity, nobody dies or is tortured, and it gets an R rating for one character smoking.

These people are nuts.


14 posted on 06/15/2004 9:46:14 AM PDT by Judith Anne ("The convictions that shaped the president began to shape the times..." President G.W. Bush)
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To: Judith Anne
Can't you just see it? A movie where all the characters remain fully dressed at all times, never use any profanity, nobody dies or is tortured, and it gets an R rating for one character smoking.

Isn't that why we have Walt Disney? LOL! There should be "something" left for the adults!

15 posted on 06/15/2004 9:48:53 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: Judith Anne

(Talk about Big Fat!)
Situational ethics?

When Reiner put River Phoenix in his movie, Stand By Me, and had him
smoke throughout, Phoenix was only 14 years old. Guess it's okay to
have kids smoke when it's for Reiner's benefit.

             

16 posted on 06/15/2004 9:50:17 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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To: Mike Bates

That's not just crazy; it's downright silly.


17 posted on 06/15/2004 9:50:44 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Judith Anne

Which cartoons, currently G rated, have the evil, sinister character smoking? I can think of 101 Dalmations, one character smokes. Talk about decreasing credibility in a rating system!


18 posted on 06/15/2004 9:51:12 AM PDT by CSM (Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.)
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To: CSM

By God,I think you've got it!

Have the evil,ctiminal,slob types be the smokers in the movies and have the nice guys abstain.

That's way most of the antis feel about smokers anyway and this would reinforce their theory.

The entire thing is hysterical considering what you can see going on on the big screen today.


19 posted on 06/15/2004 10:17:08 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Mears; CSM
The entire thing is hysterical considering what you can see going on on the big screen today.

And in the world!

20 posted on 06/15/2004 11:12:19 AM PDT by SheLion (Please register to vote! We can't afford to remain silent!!)
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