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Where's Jimmy Carter when we need him?


1 posted on 06/15/2004 8:21:04 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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2 posted on 06/15/2004 8:22:15 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Buy me some peanuts nonallergic soy protein nuggets and Cracker Jacks.
4 posted on 06/15/2004 8:29:49 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (NEOCON NOW)
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I was really shocked when, on a recent flight, I was handed several packets of peanuts as a snack... Which was great because the "trail mix" (sans peanuts) they had really sucked...


5 posted on 06/15/2004 8:30:17 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.)
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It truly is a bane for those with genetic maladies to live a normal life.

Perhaps they should stay home and watch the game on TV, or get a friend, with normal genetics, to tape the game.

Hey, they won't even have to get sick from SUV exhausts, or second hand smoke twenty miles upstream, or smell that terribly debilitating fast food, not to mention those self centered people that have the nerve to wear perfume, and deoderant.

8 posted on 06/15/2004 8:38:38 AM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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My son has a life threatening peanut allergy. Even casual contact with the peanut is enough to cause a fatal reaction if not treated immediately.

I don't see how having one day for peanut free activities can be construed as fascism.

What many parks have done is had peanut free areas in their parks - one section where they can sit and not be affected. Such a policy probably makes more sense.

Airplanes are much worse, going to a ballpark is in many ways a choice and treatment is relatively close by in case he goes into shock. On an airplane if he has contact with peanut residue and goes into shock, it will likely be fatal as it would take too long for the plane to land and medical treatment to get to him.
9 posted on 06/15/2004 8:41:17 AM PDT by vabeachrepub
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I don't like the peanut fascists. But I see nothing wrong with a ballpark banning peanuts and peanut products a few days per season. Just so long as peanuts aren't banned for the entire season the way they are banned year 'round by some school cafeterias


11 posted on 06/15/2004 8:43:06 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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Since this is a voluntary action by a team, and only for one day, I say, why not?

Good for the kid.

Good marketing for the ballpark.


13 posted on 06/15/2004 8:44:09 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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And, we again have King William of Monica to thank for the "tail wagging the dog" syndrome in America.

"Timothy, a first-grader from Ada Elementary, is allergic to peanuts. "

""He was allergic to everything when he was little. His brother is allergic to peanuts, too," Jane Haverkamp, Timothy's mother, said. "He never had a life-threatening emergency with peanuts, but we don't keep any at home." "

He's allergic to "everything"? THEN, why isn't he a "bubble boy"? Why is he allowed to breath anything other than filtered, sterile, air? Is he allergic to water? (Well, she said 'everything').

Is this a new epidemic? The "peanut" sickness? I've never heard of such nonsense until the last 10 years or so...about the same time lawyers started doing television advertising. (ahem).

First the airlines, and now the ballparks. Is there anyplace we don't have to shut down and deny the masses their right to pacify the needs of a few? It's a ballpark...ballparks have peanuts. Wear a mask...or stay home.

18 posted on 06/15/2004 8:49:14 AM PDT by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of charity that you receive.)
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Thank goodness somebody out there is fighting the noble battles against this rampant peanut-ism which, even as we speak, is tearing at the delicate moral fabric of our society. The bastard legacy of George Washington Carver is an imminent threat to the well-being and livelihood of tens and possibly even hundreds of people. Can the crunchy menace be stopped? Thanks to the efforts of people like these, commonfolk like myself have been given new hope in the battle against peanut related allergies.


20 posted on 06/15/2004 8:53:45 AM PDT by ICX (I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.)
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If the ball park wants to do this for a handful of allergic kids, it is their right.

In this case, it's the Pro-Peanut FACISTS who want to deny the ball park the right to have a peanut free day.


22 posted on 06/15/2004 8:56:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
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This question is out of curiosity, not callousness.....

Is this some newly discovered allergy? I never remember anyone making much of it until the past few years, and certainly never when I was a kid.

23 posted on 06/15/2004 8:59:48 AM PDT by wbill
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I don't see where facism comes into play. [pun intended]
Was this organization coerced into having a peanut-free day?
24 posted on 06/15/2004 9:03:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Where's Jimmy Carter when we need him?

I don't have a peanut allergy, but I do feel a little sick whenever Carter shows up. Can I have a Dem free zone whenever I go out in public?

29 posted on 06/15/2004 9:13:17 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Teach a Democrat to fish and he will curse you for not just giving him the fish.)
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With all due respect to those with children who suffer from this, or those with this condition themselves, but I don't understand this at all. It makes no sense that only in the last 10-15 years did this start to come about. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't misdiagnosis of some sort.

Granted, keeping people away from peanuts seems to keep the problem in check, but that doesn't necessarily mean that peanuts ARE the cause. Maybe there's some new form of mold or other microscopic organism that has started to grow with peanuts, perhaps on their outer shell or even inside the seed itself that causes the allergy. I would ask, "Has there been a study where PURIFIED peanut oil has been subjected to someone with this allergy?" That's the first question. There are slew of other questions that could be (and should have been) asked before this is definitively shown to be the cause of the allergy. (such as the questions asked later by Sabertooth in this thread) Additional questions also could be, "Are the parents, one or the other, always around when the "peanut allergy attacks" occur? Do they smoke? Do they work in industry?" It's possible that when TWO factors come together (like peanuts AND "X") that the allergy takes place. In other words, it's not just peanuts alone that cause this.

The reason I'm as doubtful as I am is because it simply makes no sense, from a biological standpoint, that only in the last 10-15 years this has become a problem. Allergies, for the most part, arise because early in life, when the child is first forming his/her immune system, they aren't exposed to a certain allergen in sufficient quantities as to form a proper immune response to them. Then later in life, when the immune system is "set in stone", and they are exposed to this allergen that they didn't properly deal with as a child, their immune system "overreacts" because it can't handle it properly.

THUS, since by all our understanding how allergies develop, we can't explain how a "new one" can form (unless new allergens are developed, BUT PEANUTS AREN'T NEW TO THE PLANET) ...since we can't explain how an "old allergen" can produce a "new allergy", it simply doesn't make any scientific sense.

For those who's family/loved ones suffer from this, my advice would be to take a serious look at your life, and determine EXACTLY what is going on when the allergy attack occurs. My guess is that for some it's merely psychosematic (sp?) and for others, while the biological response is real, it's an allergy to a combination of factors (the peanuts AND something else) or, to something as yet unidentified in peanuts that has only started to appear in peanuts in the last 10-15 years.

There's just no way that anyone can convince me that the same peanut that we've eaten for centuries is suddenly causing this. Something MUST be different.


37 posted on 06/15/2004 9:47:37 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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The team hosted its second "Peanut Free" day during an 11 a.m. game at Fifth Third Ballpark against the Fort Wayne Wizards.

AAAAAAARGH! With no hyphen, this means the team is giving away peanuts gratis. It should be "Peanut-Free," and since I am apparently the only American who cares at all about grammatical precision, I shall continue to rail about it.
47 posted on 06/15/2004 10:20:52 AM PDT by Xenalyte (This dog bite me.)
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Right in my own backyard. I used to live right next to the park.


50 posted on 06/15/2004 10:23:34 AM PDT by rintense (Screw justice. I want revenge.)
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There's no dobut that this is a real problem, but I think that the question we're debating here is not whether it's right for the ballpark to voluntarily have peanut-free nights.

I think that the larger debate is about a small minority of people imposing their will on the majority. We talk about it here all the time with smoking, drinking, perfumes, etc etc etc. Do we insist that the people with an allergy take responsibility for themselves and avoid peanuts or places where they can be found, or do we just ban peanuts from all public places alltogether?

As far as the ballpark is concerned, having peanut free nights just makes good business sense to me. Opens themselves up to a new demographic. Also, it's no different than fireworks night, or 'free ball' night, as far as I'm concerned.

61 posted on 06/15/2004 10:35:27 AM PDT by wbill
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this article has a TON of typos!


79 posted on 06/15/2004 10:59:39 AM PDT by love n hate tattoo
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My sister is allergic to bees. I vote for no bee night.


98 posted on 06/15/2004 11:46:30 AM PDT by petercooper (Now, who's this Joe Mayo everyone's talking about?)
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I'm allergic to grass and tree pollens. I vote they play on concrete and cut down every tree in sight of the stadium.


117 posted on 06/15/2004 1:48:07 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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